Very lucky to get this one unfortunately only in razor size
Ozuku Tenjyou, super hard to find stone !!!
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Very lucky to get this one unfortunately only in razor size
Ozuku Tenjyou, super hard to find stone !!!
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Maruchi Nakayama Kiita
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this is my rock. Nakayama Kita of the family Ka and Ichi. with stamp "Nihon Kamisori" He has a Nakayama Nashiji, pear skin....
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I am happy to see some ki-ita and color stones being tried and tested these past few weeks. Some users feel that the harder the stone the better, this is not necessary true. For razors the finer the grit sounds more practical to me. Some vintage (not newly mined) kiita and iro (color) stones have very fast cutting action which makes for less time spent on the stone and the grit can, in some very choice selection stones, actually be as fine as asagi stones. These are beautiful examples above. Alx
They are very nice pre-polishers but still for nice edge nothing bits super hard stone :D
Here are my two finishers and two naguras(tomo and lyo):
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One is a nakayama karasu, the other okudo nashiji(suita if I am correct). My camera
can't do justice to the karasu.
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I googled for this, but I simply don't understand how to do this.
sharpman which of your finisher's is the better ?
Here are a couple of photos of kiita stones, the thick one, a Nakayama Maruka at 35mm thick and has not been used, the middle one is only 3mm thick at this time and the smaller one is 15mm thick and has stamps on the end showing that it is about 1/2 used up. I am quite certain that the 3mm thick stone was as thick as the Maruka at one time, it just kept getting remounted as it got thinner.
When I was in Japan in October I visited 5 old timer barber shops to ask about what stones they used for kamisori. Each and every one came up with a color stone of some description, only two had an asagi in their drawer of stones. I personally like to shave off an asagi as well as kiita, but at these high grit levels during the sharpening stages there is not a whole lot of difference between those strata in high grade stones. For polishing, which I do not usually go beyond a few strokes with clear water, I think however that the harder asagi have a leg up on the color stones. For pure sharpening speed I find the color stones are usually faster, thus as Maxim said as "pre-polishers". I shave every day however off of "un-polished" blades. And I see the idea of spending 1/2 to 1 1/2 hour polishing a blade, as has been reported, if I am not mistaken, as overkill. But posting here with a group where some of the fellows choose to finish off on strops fitted with NASA inspired abrasive dust, I feel humbly old fashioned. Alx
I love the Karasu stones, they're very rare, yes?
narutaki kiita/karasu my hardest j-nat
Hi All,
I do not feel qualified to post here as I have absolutely no idea what jnat I have.
I also have no idea what all the terms for them mean - although I'm sure I'll learn some of them eventually.
I thought I would post photos of my (one and only) jnat for comment/opinions.
It seems to be a fairly soft stone and the slurry smells like mud.
I have tried it on a couple of razors (after the 8k) and gotten quite good shaves from them.
I start with a fairly thick slurry and gradually dilute it to water(using pigtail strokes) then rinse the hone off and make a lighter slurry and dilute it to water as well.
I don't have a nagura stone so I've been using the slurry stone off my PHIG to make the slurry.
You may think that I'm a Philistine for doing it this way, however, if you do, I beg your forgiveness - I just don't know any better.
Here are the photos - with slurry and after lapping (dry).
A very merry Christmas to all and the best of New Years as well.
Geoff
I really didn't need a new jnat, but Maksim had one that I really liked, so I bought it. It arrived tonight in the rainy weather. DHL called me this morning and told me that he knew that I would want my package, so he bagged it and left it on my doorstep. I'm glad I didn't have to wait until tomorrow. The stone is beautiful. I haven't had a chance to try it out, but it is harder than my other one.
Ozuku Kiita San Lv 5+
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I also picked up another jnat from the Bay. I had bought several nice stones from this seller, so I trusted his description and assessment of the stone. It looked very nice. It is hard, but it a little rougher than my JNS stones. It does cut fast and is a nice size.
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You guys are making me jealous
My Newest J-nat that I picked up the other day.
A rare Ozuku Suita (without su).
So far so good after two razors.
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Allow me to present my third Jnat. It is an Oozuku Sunashie Suiita
I am told by the seller that Suiita is the fastest cutting Jnat. I am also told that this particular stone was cut from the lowest possible strata and is therefore a somewhat rare stone. This stone is judged to be in the 15k to 18k range and is designated as a pre-polisher. So far, I find that to be a fairly accurate assessment.
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Sharpman
I believe most guys rely on the scratch pattern under the microscope to get an idea of the approximate grit rating. Then there is the shave test. If the stone improves the shave, it is probably of finer grit than the previous stone you used.
I can easily shave off the Suiita but my Nakayama Maruichi definitely improves the Suiita edge. I have determined that the Suiita is in between the Naniwa 12k and the Nakayama
Jerry
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I Recently purchased my first JNats. A Shoubudani Asagi Lv 5+ From Maxim , which came with a slurry stone. And a Toishi nakayama namito red nashiji from ebay seller 330mate.com.
The later did not come with a slurry stone nor was I able to find out any thing about it . Could any of you give me some info on the stone and recommend a slurry stone for it and where I might get one. I all ready flattened the Asagi so the stamp is gone but the one in question is the smaller tan one as Im sure you know. Thanks in advance.
-Ben
if you email Maxim he'll be able to recommend you a slurry stone or some people use three stones for full honing a razor.
Maxim set me up with a very nice "tomonagura" stone for my Nakayama. It was just what I needed.
Jerry
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So i was re-reading this thread and is suddenly occured to me ....
Where did "Brighty83" go ?????
He has a ton of stones and info and was posting on this thread a lot...
Anyone?
Can anyone help me with the identification of this stone by the stamps on the end of the stone? All I know is that I was told it was a Nakayama...it is 7.5 x 2.5 x 1 inches. I will say that it is 'Extremely Hard' and puts an incredible edge on a razor as the final finisher on slurry (which is very hard to raise!).
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As above. They are 330mate.com's stamps. Not really an accurate identification of the stone.
Thanks Onimaru55 and Mainaman...
I guess it really doesn't matter knowing what it is as long as it works...appreciate the response!
hehe i wonder that too :)
I wouldn't know about the 'layer'...hell I don't even know what a 'layer' is! :) ... but it is very, very hard! I have a very nice and very hard Llyn Idwall stone and this JNAT is as hard as that...maybe even harder. I use a Carborundum #102 Razor hone to raise a slurry on it, and I really have to work at it to get a decent slurry. But like I said it puts a super smooth edge on a blade!
Thanks for your response SharpMan!
Sharpman, I am sort of hanging out with you in the Namito or Aisa strata on this one. These deep stratas are always hard stones and sometimes scratchy hard. Wolfpack says it hard and it also looks like it has a faint Karasu pattern, a type of stone found in that depth in the Asia strata right next to the Namito. Nakayama karasu more often than not have a more sharply defined black patch on the gray background, this is fuzzy suggesting a nearby mine like Narutaki. Without looking at the skin of this stone the Nakayama attribution is more difficult to ascertain.
I am diggin the shape of the stone and lucky for you and your razors that you have one long straight run on that one side. Are you using the stone with a slurry for honing, if so you might try a really worn out diamond plate as a "diamond nagura" and leave the Carborundum out of the picture and off the table? Alx
I can't be certain of course, but I have seen so many(thousands) natural stones
and I always pay attention to their looks and what mine and strata they are from.
OP says the stone is very hard, so very likely from a deep strata. It does not
look like suita at all, so probably tomae, namito or aisa strata. Looking at the
colour of the stone I see this greenish colour, and tiny hints of karasu
which makes me think namito the most and maybe aisa. And I get a ''namito
feeling'' looking at the stone. Might be aisa or between both.
Sharpman
Brilliand minds think alike:beer1: Thanks for the information about the difference between
nakayama and narutaki.
Alex I have the feeling that ( I ) one can see the difference between
nakayama karasu and karasu from other mines. Do you think this is possible?
Karasu from Takashima mine looks very different to nakayama karasu, at least
the ones I have seen.
Sharpman