Thread: Raising a slurry with a diamond plate. What have been your results

I am curious as to what results others have gotten by using a diamond plate to raise a slurry from their base root stone instead of using a traditional nagura stone to make a slurry when honing a razor. Good, bad, ugly, lets hear it all. Alx

I've spent some time to carefully lap and get mirrored surface (if you look at some angle of course) on all my hones on 1200 SiC powder. I made a decision not to use any diamond plate at all. Once hone is perfectly flat, that’s the time when you can see the real improvement in honing. At least my own experience proving it.

Traskrom
So are you saying your have not used a diamomd plate for raising a slurry? Or are you saying your have done it and do not like it? alx

Actually I did. Not with dmt though, but still diamond plate. Naguras were much cheaper and easier to use fort me.

My Naguras and Slurry stones are rarely used any longer, I use a well worn DMT 325 for all stones now...

The trick I have found that works with my Nakayama is that regardless of how the slurry is produced you have to break it down before you get the benefits of having a Friable slurry... And no I do not believe that can happen by rubbing two stones together, I think you have to use steel to do that..
The Pigtail stroke works well for this and I saw a stroke in one of your vids Alx that looked like you were doing the same,, in honing Japanese style, back and forth like on a Kamisori the pressure change and the motion does this anyway, but on a Western style razor we don't accomplish the same with normal strokes.. If you don't work the slurry regardless of how it is produced you might as well just use water..

I get the most consistent results my using the slurries produced from the base stone I am using, without adding a second variable from a Nagura/Slurry stone, FOR FINISHING.. Now if I want to use the base stone for more than finishing then this all changes, because I want to introduce the different grits from the Naguras or the Slurry stones to create a different cutting ability...



The Disclaimer: All these ideas are just that, Naturals of any pedigree are after all Natural, and therefore they all react differently, besides the differences in honing styles, so what works for me and my stones might not work for you and yours and visaversa... You can read and talk about all the ideas and theories, but sooner or later you have to put steel to stone and work it out for you to get the best results...

I too use a "well worn" dmt 325 for creating slurry from time to time. I use it all the time on my synthetics, very sparingly, a few figure 8's, helps create cutting slurry, and helps keep the stone flat...I do this rarely on naturals. I usually have a tomo. This topic seems to come up quite a bit when talking about Jnats, especially very fine, very hard Jnats. That to me, this is key...It seems they are different animals in this respect, and I find information on the web misleading and confusing.

I've read never to use a DMT for creating slurry on most Jnats, only an Atoma. What about a well worn Dmt? My 325 is only good for slurry creation now, If I have some lapping to do, I use my XX, etc....

Me, I don't have an Atoma, and honestly don't want to buy one. I think making sure the slurry is properly broken down as you hone (dilution) is the key, as Glen said, that and a well worn DMT. I've had no problems doing this. My question is this, What if you don't have a piece of the original stone for tomonagura? Do you break one off the stone? I have an Ozuku that is so hard, slurry is key to making it work, that and very, very shave ready blade.

This stone does have a mirror finish, and I do not want to take a diamond plate to it, so I'm limited to Nagura and Tomonagura. I'm in the process now of locating a Tomo that will work with this hard stone. I guess I could take some 1000g wet sandpaper, wrap it around my dmt, and create slurry that way. That should preserve the finish on the stone, and create some cutting slurry at the same time...? thoughts...?

I find this to be the case with only the hardest of Jnats. Not all Jnats. I have other Nakayama Asagi's, and Kitta, etc..that work well with a dmt. I've never had any problems, different strokes as they say....YMMV.

I'd love to hear some other thoughts.

I actually have found that the slurry from the DMT's does not work as well for me, especially on the naturals. The only place I have had success with the 325 slurry is when I do the first set of circles on the one stone method. The particles have been very inconsistent when thinned to water. The generic slurry stones or finer stones seem to be very consistent through out the process. The circles followed by simple X strokes has also been very effective in the one stone process and I have not obtained any benefit from altering the type of strokes. The DMT on the synthetics for me, alters the process and even makes it more inconsistent. The synthetics seem so precise to me that altering them with slurry has not produced any benefit in either time or results.

It is fun to play around with stuff and I would encourage people to try it.

Have fun.

I use an Atoma 1.2K diamond plate to make slurry on all of my Jnats if I require detectable slurry. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "base" stones but if you are referring to the 'bread and butter' kind of intermediate stones like a Norton 4/8 I have to say I have never had the need to make much in the way of slurry on those.

James.

Base Stone is the one you are using..

Adding slurry to any stone, by any method, is only to change the effect that the base stone produces with plain water regardless of which stone that is...

ie: If you have never needed or wanted to change what the Base Stone does to the steel with water then slurry is of no use slurry use in itself is an experiment in variables..

I left out oil stones and/or dry honing and using sprays and powders as this is another different way of adding variables

Stupid question,

does slurry stones can be exchanged between stones. And I do not mean Jnat but for example I have two C12K stones, but different one and only one has slurry stone. Can I use this slurry stone for both stones. Both stones create similar slurry.

Br