Thread: 4k/8k pyramid method on norton combo still not there pics included please help!

so i started a thread about how to set my bevel and now following that i tried to get the razor shave ready using the pyramid method on the norton 4k/8k combo.

im sure your all aware of it here is the link anyway:

Pyramid honing guide - Straight Razor Place Wiki

anyway i have some pics to show you guys in hope that i can get some good advice on how to progress this razor to shave ready.

side a:



side b:


the scratches are consistent the pics only look different because of the light source

the stones i have are chorsera 1k, norton 4k/8k combo, toishi-ohishi 6k/10k combo and 12k superstone
what do you guys think?
any help and advice would be greatly appreciated

thanks in advance
steven

From what I can see on the pics your bevel is still not 100% set

When I set a bevel on my 1K Shapton, I always do mostly the same thing on the 4K to improve it, before I move on to the pyramid. You could give it a try, something like circles with a little pressure, circles without pressure and then the pyramid, where I start at 10 strokes.

Originally Posted by mainaman

From what I can see on the pics your bevel is still not 100% set

I would agree. Looking at the 3rd and 4th picture, there seems to be a lot of light being reflected from the cutting edge. That usually means that there is enough metal there to reflect significant light and therefore no bevel.

In addition to the Pyramid Honing Guide there is also this alternative pyramid tutorial which is basically Randydance's approach ..... Honing - Alternative approaches - Straight Razor Place Wiki

I have done a pyramid and didn't get "there" so just repeat either the full pyramid or the alternative until I do. Sometimes a few pyramids in a row. More than one way to pluck a chicken.

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

I would agree. Looking at the 3rd and 4th picture, there seems to be a lot of light being reflected from the cutting edge. That usually means that there is enough metal there to reflect significant light and therefore no bevel.

the light on the edge is in the third and fourth pictures is because i use a usb microscope with 8 led inbuilt lights which are only 2cm away from the blade.

i spent 2 hours on the bevel with my 1k it has to be set. it only takes lynn 3-4 minutes to set his on his 1k stone .

im not going to go back to the 1k im going to see it through and if it doesnt become shave ready i will admit defeat and go back to the 1k.

so laurens said to go back to the 4k i think i will spend 2 hours on the 4k and post update pictures in a few days hopefully i can fully set the bevel on the 4k
thanks for your input guys

If it makes you feel any better I have a PJM Cmon Blackie that is giving me the same fits. I was able to get a shavable edge by adding a second layer of tape on the spine. I am still not happy, and will take it back to the 4k when I get a chance.
Be sure your stones are lapped, take a break, and relax.

Originally Posted by stevenn21

i spent 2 hours on the bevel with my 1k it has to be set.

i think i will spend 2 hours on the 4k and post update pictures in a few days hopefully i can fully set the bevel on the 4k

You have probably set and destroyed the bevel multiple times, in that 2 hours, and will most likely do so in the next 2 hours..

The one shot that barely shows the wear going into the heel is the most important one of the series,, Perhaps an overall shot of the razor so we can see the Geometry would be more helpful.. Something is just not right here...



Read Number 1

http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...bing-over.html


Step away from grinding away at the razor, you are doing something wrong, 2 hours and you are getting no bevel set means one of two things, either you are not getting to the edge, (improper technique or Geometry) or you are going past the bevel set and not realizing it...

Take some time and read and watch in this thread

http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...on-2012-a.html

Are you using anything lower grit than the Chosera? Slurry?
How much pressure?

Reading your first thread explains where your issues are coming from, not even sure why you started a new thread leaving all that info out...

http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...uded-post.html

This is not a "Bevel Set" you are attempting to "Restore an Edge"

These are to very different procedures and this is why you are tearing into the heel, there is a bit more to Edge Restoration than just grinding away at the steel,, You are going to have to actually re-contour that heel, and form a completely new foundation on which to create the bevel..

Or you can disregard everything everyone has told you so far in both threads and just keep grinding away steel