Thread: 2 cents worth a nickel

I guess one day I will fall into this category. I'm going to wait for maybe another year before I buy a stone or two and try my hand at honing. Either I'll enjoy the challenge or illquit and leave it to the professionals haha.

Originally Posted by jsmiff

smh that's sounds like a good way to sharpen lawnmower blades.

Why would you say that,,,, it works just fine, are you trying to say that there is more to it ???? I can slice Tomatoes and Elk hides what else do I need a knife to do..
I mean are you trying to say that there are different levels of sharp??? Expertise involved ??? Finesse ??? , depth of knowledge ???

Maybe you could explain why Sharpening a Knife one way is better then another... You imply that sharpening a knife is harder then honing a razor and yet I can get a knife to do everything I need it to do in 90 seconds

That's part of my attraction to the Japanese traditional knifery--SO easy to sharpen on waterstones, nearly sorta like sharpening a razor. No jiggeries anyway. I retired the Chef's Choice a while back. Use an Edge Pro for double bevels.

BUT razor honing pretty much made knife sharpening just another task for me. Pears and Apples i yet say.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Why would you say that,,,, it works just fine, are you trying to say that there is more to it ???? I can slice Tomatoes and Elk hides what else do I need a knife to do..
I mean are you trying to say that there are different levels of sharp??? Expertise involved ??? Finesse ??? , depth of knowledge ???

Maybe you could explain why Sharpening a Knife one way is better then another... You imply that sharpening a knife is harder then honing a razor and yet I can get a knife to do everything I need it to do in 90 seconds

a razor by design is easier to sharpen. ive made that point clear over and over and several others confirmed it... yet pride wont let you admit that

Originally Posted by jsmiff

a razor by design is easier to sharpen. ive made that point clear over and over and several others confirmed it... yet pride wont let you admit that

So no real answer...

Originally Posted by gssixgun

So no real answer...

wow and your the moderator......at what point did I say honing/sharpening was easy? I clearly said a razor is designed to be easier to sharpen. that's the whole reason the blade is shaped the way it is (the point of the OP) and there's no arguing that (but you are). so you slap your knife on a grinder and that's "good enough" , I slap my razor on a stone and its "good enough" ......so what point are you trying to make?

REAL ANSWER:I have no clue what type of knife you have so explaining what edge you need is pointless, but the obvious reasons,#1 you are wasting a lot of metal and it will shorten the lifespan of the blade #2 the heat generated on the grinder will effect the hardness of the blade. so where I can purchase a machine to sharpen my razor? ....oooo that's right, there isn't one

so what does a grinder have to do with anything? nothing ....its called reduction to the absurd, its a debate tactic. sure am glad I joined that club years ago......

You are missing the lesson,

You contend that the razor is easier to sharpen because the angle is built in, this is a simplistic assumption, not a fact.. The point is I am trying to subtly teach you something but you have a full cup, ie: you know it all, without actually honing many razors if any at all...

I tried to put it into terms you could understand, but that didn't work either, you are too convinced to actually listen,,,

Put as simply as I can, the same way I answered you in your other threads..

Honing a Razor has only the very bare basics in common with honing a knife or any other tool, you push steel across a stone and it gets sharp, and that my friend is where the commonality ends... I don't expect you to take my word for it, honestly I doubt you will ever acknowledge it, but perhaps you might take the time to learn it on your own and improve your honing across the board... Many others have..


BTW in case it wasn't clear the whole knife on a grinder, was just a teaching tool that fell on deaf ears... I was hoping that you perhaps would realize that there are different nuances to sharp, and that good enough isn't always the goal

Good luck


ps: You might want to start right in this thread at the OP and read through it again, maybe just maybe you will learn something

Originally Posted by jsmiff

a razor by design is easier to sharpen. ive made that point clear over and over and several others confirmed it... yet pride wont let you admit that

One would think so, but sadly, that is a simplification of the processes involved in honing a knife and a razor.

Yes, given that the honing angle is built in to a razor one would think it makes it easier to hone a razor than a knife.
The thing is, once proficient at honing, the lack of angle guide on knives is no big issue at all.
That is learned pretty easy for those who just try for a bit.
All the other aspects, like pressure, grinding media, convexity, burr, material and hardness is what makes honing the two rather different.

your three quotes......"You contend that the razor is easier to sharpen because the angle is built in, this is a simplistic assumption, not a fact" it is a fact other people have agreed, you are the one missing that point.

"Honing a Razor has only the very bare basics in common with honing a knife or any other tool, you push steel across a stone and it gets sharp, and that my friend is where the commonality ends..." so whats the magical thing beyond that? I thought the point of honing is to get it sharp....ooo that's right different types of sharp. now we are back into perceptions and assumptions. both of which are just opinions.

"BTW in case it wasn't clear the whole knife on a grinder, was just a teaching tool that fell on deaf ears...." it was perfectly clear that's why I called it out as a reduction to the absurd. you were trying to prove a point by forcing me into a lose / lose situation. I didn't participate.....I just deflected the comment.

Originally Posted by Birnando

All the other aspects, like pressure, grinding media, convexity, burr, material and hardness is what makes honing the two rather different.

really how would all that stuff only apply to razors and not knives?