Thread: Faux Frameback

Originally Posted by RezDog

The Elliot example is a very heavy blade. It does not seem like it was made much lighter with the grooves. It did make it a little more rare and I think an increase in the cool factor. So if the Elliot is not a swaged blade what do we call that grind?

The Elliott you linked to is purely a near-wedge. Just with the grooves ground in. Many like this were done on the 'show' side only.
A style thing.

Originally Posted by RezDog

I believe it refers to the groove in a sword or knife blade, used in part to lighten the blade. I know it also refers to something they do to saw blades in the mills but I have no idea what.

I thought those were called 'blood grooves.'

I'm pretty sure real men don't say 'faux.'
I thought rattlers rattled. So I'll rattle on some. Hiking in the Mojave desert years back I climbed up a rock face (truthfully only about 9 to 10 feet up and fairly easy handholds) to get up to what looked like a shallow cave. My head was about level with the floor of the cave and a rattler rattled. It was like the sound was made through a megaphone. I popped off that rock like a......uh, like a mofo that thought he was going to get bit in the face by a rattle snake.

Originally Posted by sharptonn

The Elliott you linked to is purely a near-wedge. Just with the grooves ground in. Many like this were done on the 'show' side only.
A style thing.

It is true that it is a near wedge with grooves cut in it, in this instance on both sides. I thought is was a swaged blade. Is there a name for this fancy grooved wedge.

Originally Posted by RezDog

It is true that it is a near wedge with grooves cut in it, in this instance on both sides. I thought is was a swaged blade. Is there a name for this fancy grooved wedge.

I feel a 'fancy grooved wedge' is appropriate. So it shall be!

The difference between a swaged blade and double swaged seems to be becoming evident.
It's all up in the air. Like faux framebacks!

Uu

Originally Posted by sharptonn

Noone has been snippy until now Mr 2 post. That chart is representative of a fraction of the grinds in existence.
Also, the wayward misuse of the terminology concerning frameback razors is staring you wholly in your face here.
Besides, even the Henckels grind chart is much more complete.



If you fellows want to interpret grinds and types of razors suited to your imagination, go right ahead!
The problem lies in that those with less experience will go all glam over nonsense.
They (The razors as well)will be what they are regardless.

I mean really? look at what they are calling a concave!!

Good one Tom. Tc

Originally Posted by tcrideshd

Uu
Good one Tom. Tc

Thanks man! I have been trying to convince this fine group that we must come up with standard names to describe particular razors. Certainly, no confrontation has ensued. It all does seem quite silly, in retrospect.
The controversy always rages!

Blood line or Fuller, I always thought it was so that a weapon could be removed from a copse easier by letting air into the wound overcoming the suction around the weapon with a slight twist. From below it would appear it is simply a weight saver:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuller_(weapon)

Tom,
I have a triple concave, Portugese point razor with a 5/4 hollow spine. The shank is stamped Spiny Norman Lichfield
I have it around here somewhere, let me see if I can find it and I'll post a pic

My son bought a book..

Sorry, savoured that sentence.

Anyway, my son bought a book on blacksmithing and I was reading it last night. Found info on swaging in there.

So my wire end compression reference isn't really accurate beyond its a compression of 'something' in a tool to get a finished shape that's consistent and repeatable maybe?
A double swage? Is it something swaged twice in the one tool set or a different 'double swaging' tool all together,, TBD.
just sharing the knowledge.
Cheers.