Thread: Honemeister at work

Now I understand why there's so many high heeled razors on the bay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTV4ph1LE3c

This video is 5 years old. We've already been through the pros and cons.

Mr. Carter even made a follow up video explaining his methodology after a challenge from Brad (undream22). Then Tom Blodgett from Jende Industries made a massive blog post about this method with high level magnification.

This method does work with tweaking, to each honer's needs. I.e. with skill and knowing what you're doing is critical or yes it could lead to a high heel.

There are sides that think this method is assbackwards and those that think it's a new way of doing things.

I have been playing with this method for a few days actually.

2 ready for a test shave tonight.

Blaming one man (an ABS master bladesmith) for other's inability to hone a razor is unfair to him.









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Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER

I have been playing with this method for a few days actually.

2 ready for a test shave tonight.

So.............., How did it go? I'll admit being skeptical of this method, but I will be interested in hearing your results. If I had a chance I would try shaving with a razor honed by Murry.

I would think that Murry is indeed creating a second burr, after knocking off the bevel setting burr with the wood, and then removing this (finishing) burr with the CrOx. We already know that using CrOx can cover a lot of poor honing, 'even sharpen dull razors'.

We have beat this guy up on this forum quite a bit. I think this is the third thread on this. Just for clarification, he is doing a terrible job honing that razor. There are several websperts with terrible honing videos. If you actually know how to hone you might gleam a worthy idea from one of them. However there are very few who I recommend their techniques.

I also see very little reason to validate this honing style as anything but a sort of parlor trick demonstrating a possible but highly improbable option to honing a razor. How many people actually do this? Most folks through out all of Razordom seem to be looking for refinement and seeking a high quality shave. Tireless seeking of the highest quality stones and materials possible for themselves to achieve "That Edge" they want or crave. We look at historical success and tradition as guidance, new stones and techniques often scrutinized and tested over and over until they either live or die by their own merit. It doesn't make sense based on what I see most people aiming for or proud of achieving. Its like someone saying" here this is best method, run this bastard file over your razor scrape off the bumpy stuff with wood and Crox will fix the thing later then just shave dry." I don't see why this method is treated as anything but an anomaly. Take whats good from it I imagine but its very limited.

Originally Posted by Razorfaust

1. I also see very little reason to validate this honing style as anything but a sort of parlor trick demonstrating a possible but highly improbable option to honing a razor.


2. How many people actually do this?

3. Take whats good from it I imagine but its very limited.

1. Why?

2. How many people use your "exact" setup?

3. Are we that closed minded to see nothing of merit in this video?

Not trying to be confrontational this time I'm just honestly trying to figure out your rationalization for these things you've written.

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Originally Posted by bluesman7

So.............., How did it go? I'll admit being skeptical of this method, but I will be interested in hearing your results. If I had a chance I would try shaving with a razor honed by Murry.

I would think that Murry is indeed creating a second burr, after knocking off the bevel setting burr with the wood, and then removing this (finishing) burr with the CrOx. We already know that using CrOx can cover a lot of poor honing, 'even sharpen dull razors'.

Honestly. It went well. This was the second razor I have honed using a tweaked variation of his method with no finishing stone. Save the newspaper.

The shave I got today was smooth and surprisingly comfortable.

This method is reliant on pressure which is something none of us can replicate because we are not Mr. Carter. Which can make using it harder then the generic no pressure "feathering" that's usually fed to new honers. Pressure is the devil Bobby Boucher. While I understand we wouldn't want a newb flexing and grinding the shat out of a razor pressure is highly beneficial when controlling and using it to our will but takes a learned hand.

In the science of sharp blog our fellow honer posted further up that started a little argument it's shown that when He (the author) drew His edge through a piece of redwood the burr did not get torn off rather bent over. Which is up for a debate in itself if a burr does get ripped off drawing it through wood.

So theoretically the burr could still be there the whole time until the razor is stropped on leather.

In the science of sharp blog it is after it's drawn through wood and stropped on the 6k that the burr is broken off leaving a flat at the apex in his second attempt.

What I don't agree with is his results. My razors through this technique have been shave ready.

I don't know why more people don't try this, with a 1k stone and a 4-6k and some crox?

He may not be doing the greatest job at honing a razor but I don't see the downside in trying this method with of course a little experience honing conventionally whatever that means.
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Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER

Honestly. It went well. This was the second razor I have honed using a tweaked variation of his method with no finishing stone. Save the newspaper.

The shave I got today was smooth and surprisingly comfortable. Thanks for reporting your findings

This method is reliant on pressure which is something none of us can replicate because we are not Mr. Carter. Which can make using it harder then the generic no pressure "feathering" that's usually fed to new honers. Pressure is the devil Bobby Boucher. While I understand we wouldn't want a newb flexing and grinding the shat out of a razor pressure is highly beneficial when controlling and using it to our will but takes a learned hand. As a person who makes and enjoys very hollow grinds, I cringe when I hear people recommend pressure. If the blade is deflecting you have very little angle control,
and can very easily destroy very hollow grinds

In the science of sharp blog our fellow honer posted further up that started a little argument it's shown that when He (the author) drew His edge through a piece of redwood the burr did not get torn off rather bent over. Which is up for a debate in itself if a burr does get ripped off drawing it through wood.

So theoretically the burr could still be there the whole time until the razor is stropped on leather.I would expect that the CrOx would be where the burr is removed. Hopefully it would be worn off with the abrasive rather than being broken off.

In the science of sharp blog it is after it's drawn through wood and stropped on the 6k that the burr is broken off leaving a flat at the apex in his second attempt.

What I don't agree with is his results. My razors through this technique have been shave ready.

I don't know why more people don't try this, with a 1k stone and a 4-6k and some crox?I would have to buy some CrOx and waste a piece of leather

He may not be doing the greatest job at honing a razor but I don't see the downside in trying this method with of course a little experience honing conventionally whatever that means.
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Again thanks for giving us a report on your findings.

I would also be curious about the longevity of edges prepared this way.

A comment on Murry's videos. He goes to great length in the rebuttal video describing how a hanging stop rounds the edge, but when watching the shaving video I felt that at quite a few times he was shaving at very high shave angles, and not just under the nose (90 degrees at one point on the jowl). IME high shave angles round the edge on a micro level. This is why new shavers dull their blades so much faster than experienced shavers. I think that Murry has the habit of high shave angles from all of his trick shaving with inappropriate tools which have obtuse bevel angles and require high angles to shave.

Ooo...this is gonna be atreat for you....

https://scienceofsharp.wordpress.com...ination-stone/

Thank me later...

Originally Posted by ovidiucotiga

Ooo...this is gonna be atreat for you....

https://scienceofsharp.wordpress.com...ination-stone/

Thank me later...

Todd couldn't pull it off. Once again technique vs tools. Read his end comment...

Murray's first video was edited.

When you post something assume that person has already read what you're presenting.

Thanks for doing a terrible job of trying to once again disprove a proven method.


"The above results should not be generalized to predict the capabilities of this sharpening technique."

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