Thread: Honemeister at work

I also see very little reason to validate this honing style as anything but a sort of parlor trick demonstrating a possible but highly improbable option to honing a razor. How many people actually do this? Most folks through out all of Razordom seem to be looking for refinement and seeking a high quality shave. Tireless seeking of the highest quality stones and materials possible for themselves to achieve "That Edge" they want or crave. We look at historical success and tradition as guidance, new stones and techniques often scrutinized and tested over and over until they either live or die by their own merit. It doesn't make sense based on what I see most people aiming for or proud of achieving. Its like someone saying" here this is best method, run this bastard file over your razor scrape off the bumpy stuff with wood and Crox will fix the thing later then just shave dry." I don't see why this method is treated as anything but an anomaly. Take whats good from it I imagine but its very limited.

Originally Posted by Razorfaust

1. I also see very little reason to validate this honing style as anything but a sort of parlor trick demonstrating a possible but highly improbable option to honing a razor.


2. How many people actually do this?

3. Take whats good from it I imagine but its very limited.

1. Why?

2. How many people use your "exact" setup?

3. Are we that closed minded to see nothing of merit in this video?

Not trying to be confrontational this time I'm just honestly trying to figure out your rationalization for these things you've written.

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Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER

1. Why?

2. How many people use your "exact" setup?

3. Are we that closed minded to see nothing of merit in this video?

Not trying to be confrontational this time I'm just honestly trying to figure out your rationalization for these things you've written.

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1. He may be the finest Japanese blade smith ever born but he doesn't act like one. He comes across as a cheap carnival act looking to wow you with cheap tricks so you qualify him as your leader in blades and buy all his stuff and lectures. If I want to see guys shaving with spoons, axes and lawnmower blades I can just surf the Russian Youtube channels and be entertained by their manly skills. I could probably scratch a razor on a couple of hones in any direction willy nilly and do a thorough stropping on croxed belt and get it to shave. Sorry but i'm not looking for any of that but don't let me discourage anyone that is intrigued. I don't feel i'm getting an education from this.

2. Your right no one uses my setup, I use everyone elses but I doubt many use the man in questions setup at all. Maybe the fanboys, I dunno.

3.Yes I saw a guy showing off his neck knife. It was pretty nice.

As far as me being rational now your pushing it.

Interesting, turns out this Murray Carter is Canadian, and is absolutely an acclaimed knife maker and bladesmith.

While I agree his methods may not suit a cherished heirloom razor or for those who collect with the idea to preserve, he seems to be going for a purely functional dynamic in terms of getting something sharp quickly and using it - repeat when necessary.

But the guy is certainly quite renowned, article about him in one of Canada's National newspapers, The Globe and Mail:

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/lif...beandmail.com&

Ok so i gave this video one more chance and viewed it carefully. To my horror I realized when he is on the 1k stone flailing away trying to get a burr on the edge he has is fingers planted near the center of the blade near the edge applying pressure. He doesn't off set the angle of the blade and it looks to me hes got the blade going straight forward and back. With pressure favoring the center of the razor this is a great way to hone a frown into the blade do this vigorously with enough pressure to remove steel to form a burr and that's what will start happening to the razor. Put that razor with this information into the hands of a new guy and I'm sure that's what will happen.
Sorry but this technique is not suitable for a new guy its too aggressive and would result in someone who repeats this process enough times to sending his precious razor to be repaired cause he messed it up.

My two cents.

Originally Posted by Razorfaust

Ok so i gave this video one more chance and viewed it carefully. To my horror I realized when he is on the 1k stone flailing away trying to get a burr on the edge he has is fingers planted near the center of the blade near the edge applying pressure. He doesn't off set the angle of the blade and it looks to me hes got the blade going straight forward and back. With pressure favoring the center of the razor this is a great way to hone a frown into the blade do this vigorously with enough pressure to remove steel to form a burr and that's what will start happening to the razor. Put that razor with this information into the hands of a new guy and I'm sure that's what will happen.
Sorry but this technique is not suitable for a new guy its too aggressive and would result in someone who repeats this process enough times to sending his precious razor to be repaired cause he messed it up.

My two cents.

We do not know that he is simply flailing away. I'm sure everything this man does is a calculated action. He is establishing his primary edge (Setting the bevel) in an aggressive manner but surely he's not mindlessly grinding.

He does move the razor to grind different parts of the blade. Toe, center and heel. I have viewed the video too.

What we can agree on is that it's probably not the least aggressive way to hone a razor but if you already have experience honing or dare I say the will to learn and tailor this method with your stones and your technique. It shouldn't be unachievable for anyone.





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I have been watching this guys videos for years. I'm dead sure he has skilled hands and is sensitive enough to judge whats happening to an edge. Not my point. He approaches the straight razor very much the same as he approaches any of his kitchen knives when he sharpens and this is where I disagree with his approach from the perspective of a new comer to honing a razor. I just believe that the things he demonstrates can get a new guy at this in trouble fast. I am of the opinion that when it comes to razors things should move slowly at the beginning when it comes to razors I'm all about less is more and mindful removal of steel. Once one has a lot of experience maybe then you can experiment " Nuclear Option" steel removal, burr formation and of that for a quick fix edge. For me and I bet most new guys this method is not helpful full of pitfalls and potentially destructive. I will not argue that Mr. Carter can or cant pull it off. I just don't see it as the best way to put a high quality edge on a razor. Look this is a "How To" video most certainly aimed at noobs and all i see is danger waiting for them. Just how i feel aint saying no more.