Thread: Honemeister at work

Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER

Honestly. It went well. This was the second razor I have honed using a tweaked variation of his method with no finishing stone. Save the newspaper.

The shave I got today was smooth and surprisingly comfortable. Thanks for reporting your findings

This method is reliant on pressure which is something none of us can replicate because we are not Mr. Carter. Which can make using it harder then the generic no pressure "feathering" that's usually fed to new honers. Pressure is the devil Bobby Boucher. While I understand we wouldn't want a newb flexing and grinding the shat out of a razor pressure is highly beneficial when controlling and using it to our will but takes a learned hand. As a person who makes and enjoys very hollow grinds, I cringe when I hear people recommend pressure. If the blade is deflecting you have very little angle control,
and can very easily destroy very hollow grinds

In the science of sharp blog our fellow honer posted further up that started a little argument it's shown that when He (the author) drew His edge through a piece of redwood the burr did not get torn off rather bent over. Which is up for a debate in itself if a burr does get ripped off drawing it through wood.

So theoretically the burr could still be there the whole time until the razor is stropped on leather.I would expect that the CrOx would be where the burr is removed. Hopefully it would be worn off with the abrasive rather than being broken off.

In the science of sharp blog it is after it's drawn through wood and stropped on the 6k that the burr is broken off leaving a flat at the apex in his second attempt.

What I don't agree with is his results. My razors through this technique have been shave ready.

I don't know why more people don't try this, with a 1k stone and a 4-6k and some crox?I would have to buy some CrOx and waste a piece of leather

He may not be doing the greatest job at honing a razor but I don't see the downside in trying this method with of course a little experience honing conventionally whatever that means.
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Again thanks for giving us a report on your findings.

I would also be curious about the longevity of edges prepared this way.

A comment on Murry's videos. He goes to great length in the rebuttal video describing how a hanging stop rounds the edge, but when watching the shaving video I felt that at quite a few times he was shaving at very high shave angles, and not just under the nose (90 degrees at one point on the jowl). IME high shave angles round the edge on a micro level. This is why new shavers dull their blades so much faster than experienced shavers. I think that Murry has the habit of high shave angles from all of his trick shaving with inappropriate tools which have obtuse bevel angles and require high angles to shave.

I'm interested in the longevity too so I'll keep this razor going only with a leather strop and report back at edge failure. I.e. pulling or discomfort.

I agree with you about pressure. When I say pressure I don't mean bearing down on the razor to flex it. That is no good. I mean using enough force and slightly torque the blade so the abrasive cuts faster. I don't know about others but I vary my pressure start to finish. Heavier to lighter.



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Originally Posted by Razorfaust

Ok so i gave this video one more chance and viewed it carefully. To my horror I realized when he is on the 1k stone flailing away trying to get a burr on the edge he has is fingers planted near the center of the blade near the edge applying pressure. He doesn't off set the angle of the blade and it looks to me hes got the blade going straight forward and back. With pressure favoring the center of the razor this is a great way to hone a frown into the blade do this vigorously with enough pressure to remove steel to form a burr and that's what will start happening to the razor. Put that razor with this information into the hands of a new guy and I'm sure that's what will happen.
Sorry but this technique is not suitable for a new guy its too aggressive and would result in someone who repeats this process enough times to sending his precious razor to be repaired cause he messed it up.

My two cents.

We do not know that he is simply flailing away. I'm sure everything this man does is a calculated action. He is establishing his primary edge (Setting the bevel) in an aggressive manner but surely he's not mindlessly grinding.

He does move the razor to grind different parts of the blade. Toe, center and heel. I have viewed the video too.

What we can agree on is that it's probably not the least aggressive way to hone a razor but if you already have experience honing or dare I say the will to learn and tailor this method with your stones and your technique. It shouldn't be unachievable for anyone.





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I have been watching this guys videos for years. I'm dead sure he has skilled hands and is sensitive enough to judge whats happening to an edge. Not my point. He approaches the straight razor very much the same as he approaches any of his kitchen knives when he sharpens and this is where I disagree with his approach from the perspective of a new comer to honing a razor. I just believe that the things he demonstrates can get a new guy at this in trouble fast. I am of the opinion that when it comes to razors things should move slowly at the beginning when it comes to razors I'm all about less is more and mindful removal of steel. Once one has a lot of experience maybe then you can experiment " Nuclear Option" steel removal, burr formation and of that for a quick fix edge. For me and I bet most new guys this method is not helpful full of pitfalls and potentially destructive. I will not argue that Mr. Carter can or cant pull it off. I just don't see it as the best way to put a high quality edge on a razor. Look this is a "How To" video most certainly aimed at noobs and all i see is danger waiting for them. Just how i feel aint saying no more.

At the first Denver meet that I went to, I asked Glen about raising a burr during the bevel set. The look that he gave me now makes sense . I think it was shortly after the whole Murry Carter thing had happened and I'll bet this is what came to his mind.

Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER

"...and mind that temper...." who are you again?

Same question can be asked about you seeing how you are attacking anyone that does not agree with your views of Carter's method.

Lets calm down here and act in a civilized manner so that the thread can continue its existence.

Originally Posted by mainaman

Same question can be asked about you seeing how you are attacking anyone that does not agree with your views of Carter's method.

Lets calm down here and act in a civilized manner so that the thread can continue its existence.

I'm not attacking people. I'm simply voicing my opinions on the video like we all do. Mine however does not line up with most people and I don't sugar coat things..

I do not care what people use to hone their straight razors. That's up to them. I do however get sick of a world reknowned Canadian born knife maker being strung up and beat like a pinata because he's got different views then the razor community.

I guess you're a little late to the party because we already kissed and made up earlier in the thread.

I appreciate you looking out for the forum's best interest. That's what I love about SRP.

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Originally Posted by S0LITARYS0LDIER

I do not care what people use to hone their straight razors. That's up to them. I do however get sick of a world reknowned Canadian born knife maker being strung up and beat like a pinata because he's got different views then the razor community.

Who is stringing him up? No one has brought him up to put him down as far as I remember, the guy is irrelevant in the razor honing circles, he is a knife maker and sharpener.

Here is some history which you may not be familiar with. Carter started making kamisori at one point, and gave up pretty fast when folks started complaining that they were not performing properly, that is a fact.

Someone from this forum posted and invitation to a razor meet, in a comment to one of Carter's honing videos, that member was banned and the post deleted. That is a fact. This was not a one sided affair. I am not sure if you were around when this topic was discussed here on the forum, but Carter would argue points that make no sense as far as razors are concerned.

I guess you're a little late to the party because we already kissed and made up earlier in the thread.

You went off on another member as well, and if you read carefully no one made up, most times it is just wiser to not bang one's head against the wall. The wall will not move no matter what.

I appreciate you looking out for the forum's best interest. That's what I love about SRP.

Thank you

Originally Posted by mainaman

Who is stringing him up?

Here is some history which you may not be familiar with. Carter started making kamisori at one point, and gave up pretty fast when folks started complaining that they were not performing properly, that is a fact.


This was not a one sided affair.

You went off on another member as well, and if you read carefully no one made up, most times it is just wiser to not bang one's head against the wall. The wall will not move no matter what.


Thank you

I could continue this argument but it has undoubtedly run it's course.

Guys, can we just agree to dissagree here...
We are indeed intiteled to our own opinions.
And we can sustain our opinions with arguments in a civilised way.

A lot of people come heare to learn about razors and honing and the direction this thread is going is not constructive for the comunity or newcommers.

Yess Solitarysoldier did have a inflamable temper about my opinion even thoug I was not adressing him at the moment...but i'm sure if I would have repplied with a queto to the user who opened the topic the discussion may have had a diffrent course.

About kissing and making up...I realy dont care that much about this things...we are not friends nor famili for making up to matter.

I came to SRP knowing little and beeing a part of this comunity made me learn and grow...it has helped me a lot...especialy in helping others get their way around whet shaving and not making the same mistakes I made.

It cost me a small fortune to get trough he blades and hones I did and thousands of hours of restoring and honing...
If I post something I want what i say to help people the same way I was helped when I came here...I always try to sustain my posts with facts and arguments from the start to avoid further discution.

If anyone can learn ...fine...if they dont agree ...thats fine too as long as we are civilised about it.

I never escalated a conflict and never will...

Let's move on...nothing to see here)