Thread: Razor eating into hone

Originally Posted by KristofferBodvin

I allways keep my hones submerged in water, was what I ment.I realise that I need some finer sandpaper...should have figured that out, thanks. I always rinse my hones before use, then i keep it my hand for the entire honing process(I seem to get the most consistensy in my strokes then).So I have basically ruled out the contamination from the outside.Great idea to try the other side of the stone, I will try that.Tough I wonder how much I will use it after I get my shapton...
Could it work to first lap the stones with a dmt325, and then buy a dmt1200 and use as a bevel setter/lapping finish stone?

That's good then unless they are all in the same water and you are describing a diligent procedure

I asked about that because I found it a bit of a surprise. It maybe OK for some types of synthetics; but for a natural stone, I would suggest not. Has it seemed to soften the stone? At least it's another complication to find your source of dulling. It's not the 325 causing it if you have lapped properly.

Ooops..ehrm.I do actually keep them in the same water.But, and I emphasise this.I thouroughly wash/rinse my stones before use..That said,yes it may have caused it to get softer.At least it seems to take less of an effort to lap it now.
(My chinese is now stored dry) Would you also recomend to store the norton dry? Its just out of convinience actually, as I hone a couple of hours every night ( to my wifes despair...)

Originally Posted by randydance062449

The DMT 1200 would leave a better finish on the hone than the 325. But using a finer grit after that would be even better.

I do take issue, as always, with using a 1200 diamond grit to set a bevel. I feel it is much to coarse and aggressive to properly set a bevel. IMHO a 4000 grit should be used to finish establishing a straight razor bevel.

Just my two cents,

Ok Randy, now you got me a little confused.In your first post you wrote that you finished lapping with 1000 grit sandpaper. I tought the dmt1200 actually equalled 1200 grit...
Does that meen that you use an even finer grit than 1000 to finish lapping?
As for bevel setting I have just used norton 4000 until now.But I find that very timeconsuming with some of my ebay "treasures", thats why I tought the dmt1200 could have a dual use.I have however read some posts from you exp.honers claiming that it makes to deep scratcmarks.Do you think the shapton 1000 or 2000 would be better for this purpose?

Randy has way more experience then I do at this sport so not to contradict but just my experience. I bought the 1200 D8E to set bevels because the Norton 1K was too slow a cutter. The 1200 worked for some razors but was too harsh for others causing micro chipping.

I bought the Shapton Pro 1000 and 2000 and usually use those for setting bevels . I still use the 1200 for that purpose occasionally if I am getting good results as I progress. I like the Shaptons very much for the bevel setting. If I ahve the down time I am going to do a bevel set using the Norton 4K while I am at work today just to see how I like it.

So far I haven't read a singel negative word of the shapton glass stones.I want them all! Including the holder, pond and lapping stone..Woun't afford that in the near future tough

Originally Posted by OLD_SCHOOL

I'm to understand the Chinese 12k is supposed to be a natural hone, so I have no idea why they make reference to its grit. Apparently they're not even 12k either, something like 95% of them are only in the 10k range.

I have no idea why one would question others making reference to grit and then proceed to make a reference to a grit.

First, "they" don't make reference to the grit. "They" simply identify it as a natural polishing stone from the Guangxi province of China." Woodcraft and other vendors have identified it as 12k grit but the box the stone comes in makes no such reference.

If you already have the DMT 325, I wouldn't invest in the DMT 1200. Like Randy, I am averse to honing on a diamond plate, though others are happy with it. It will be much cheaper to just put the fine wet sandpaper (much cheaper than another DMT) on top of your nice flat DMT 325 and polish your hone that way.

I have several more expensive natural stones but I still really like the Chinese 12?K. I like it even more with Chrisl's polishing stone. You can get an extremely good edge off it. Don't give up yet!

I have an atoma 1200 I use as a lap and a milker. I have used it on a couple knives but I'd much rather try to keep it as even worn as possible so i just use it on my finest finish hones. I like the surface it leaves but it's just as much about slurrying and stone preservation. All others get a dedicated 400diamond.

You're thinking: a bit much. If you just got a 1000 stone- a hard one that can be used to polish your finish hone if you want - It'll just be very sticky.

Full time soaking is over soaking, which is opinion. Stones that need very little/no presoak are my personal preference

Originally Posted by Utopian

I have no idea why one would question others making reference to grit and then proceed to make a reference to a grit.

First, "they" don't make reference to the grit. "They" simply identify it as a natural polishing stone from the Guangxi province of China." Woodcraft and other vendors have identified it as 12k grit but the box the stone comes in makes no such reference.

If you already have the DMT 325, I wouldn't invest in the DMT 1200. Like Randy, I am averse to honing on a diamond plate, though others are happy with it. It will be much cheaper to just put the fine wet sandpaper (much cheaper than another DMT) on top of your nice flat DMT 325 and polish your hone that way.

I have several more expensive natural stones but I still really like the Chinese 12?K. I like it even more with Chrisl's polishing stone. You can get an extremely good edge off it. Don't give up yet!

Probably just to identefy the stone in the discussion.Every one calls it the chinese 12k.
As for using the higher grit sandpaper on top of the dmt, that is advice that make me smack myself in the head.Thank you.Here I was wondering were to get some plexiglass or similar flat thing in the same size.I think mabe I will give the chinese (12k ) another chance.

Originally Posted by KristofferBodvin

Here I was wondering were to get some plexiglass or similar flat thing in the same size.

Trust me, I went through the same process when I was trying to think of what I had that was flat enough for lapping the hone, and I have two DMT plates!

Originally Posted by Utopian

Trust me, I went through the same process when I was trying to think of what I had that was flat enough for lapping the hone, and I have two DMT plates!

You mention that you own other expencive naturals.I can imagine nagiamas,coticule, escher etc.Why do you still use the chinese as a finisher do you really find it that good?

Btw: I just tried something.I know the norton is to soft,but still.I gave the chinese a good rubbing.First with the 4000 and second with the 8000.It seemed to smooth it out somewhat.I'll try some honing later tonight.
Also: I find my chinese slurrystone actually make some pretty bad marks on the surface...