Thread: Coticule and what i think

Originally Posted by crazycliff200843

So, where would you say the coticle tops out at? ?

if you have dmt 8000 3micron use before coticule.
if you have norton 8k you can use coticule after norton.

Originally Posted by crazycliff200843

What is the limit of its use and where does another stone surpass it?

if you don't have lower grit hones then after coticule you can use pastes chro2 etc in paddle strop to get better edge.

Originally Posted by crazycliff200843

But, the coticle is the smoothest I have found so far. It can be used in combination with other hones leaving me with a sharp and smooth edge. I haven't tried any hones over 12k, and there are quite a few out there, so I don't know how high of a grit I can use in combination with it. Is there another hone, or finishing combination, that will give me an edge that is both sharper and smoother than what can be achieved on the coticle? Are the high end grits, like the 30k, smoother than a coticle/would an edge finished on a 30k benefit from a coticle?

answer to your question is yes you can use thuringin,escher or nakayama or any higher grit hone get better and smoother edge. you don't have to go to 30k shapton.
that stones i know and i am sure there is more then what i know.
You need to just try it yourself and see.
it is great someone is trying to learn another hones.good luck
hope this helps you

People seem to get irritated when the Escher is brought up following the coticule. Maybe because of they tend to be more expensive and not readily available ? Whatever, IME the edge will get sharper and retain the smoothness with a yellow/green or a blue/green Escher. With the high grit synthetics you can get sharper but I'm not sure if the smoothness remains at the same level. One of these days I have to bite the bullet and get the "right" Nakayama and see what all the fuss is about.

Originally Posted by Chimensch

What I object to is giving new people the idea that honing is complicated and that you need to spend a lot of money on hones. Someone could get by just fine with a barbers hone or a coticule and they could learn to get great shaves from them.

I totally whole heartedly disagree with your statement "in this day and age"

And here is why
Not one of the new production razors comes from the factory like they did in the old days with a "Hair Tested" stamp on the box... You can hardly ever find a truly NOS razor for sale on e-bay nor anywhere else for that matter, these were way more common just 2 years ago...

Even in the Golden Age of straight razors there were Cutlers who set the razor then the average Joe maintained the razor...

So to tell somebody new that you can get by with a barbers hone or even just a coticule is a path to frustration....

Now if you were to qualify that and say "You can get by with just a barbers hone or a coticule after the razor has been honed to shave ready and you learn how to use them to maintain your razor"

Then I would whole heartedly agree....

The difference here is a small one and many of you miss the point, are you maintaining razors or are you sharpening razors????

To maintain a razor requires exactly what you said, to sharpen razors requires Time, Proper Hones, and Talent.....

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

So to tell somebody new that you can get by with a barbers hone or even just a coticule is a path to frustration....

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LOOKS like i am not crazy .

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

One of these days I have to bite the bullet and get the "right" Nakayama and see what all the fuss is about.

you don't have to suffer a lot i have it and selling it if you want let me know.

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

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LOOKS like i am not crazy .

I wouldn't go that far.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

So to tell somebody new that you can get by with a barbers hone or even just a coticule is a path to frustration....

Now if you were to qualify that and say "You can get by with just a barbers hone or a coticule after the razor has been honed to shave ready and you learn how to use them to maintain your razor"

Then I would whole heartedly agree....

The difference here is a small one and many of you miss the point, are you maintaining razors or are you sharpening razors????

To maintain a razor requires exactly what you said, to sharpen razors requires Time, Proper Hones, and Talent.....

Been there on that path to frustration twenty five years ago. Glen's statement is totally on the money IME not IMO.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Now if you were to qualify that and say "You can get by with just a barbers hone or a coticule after the razor has been honed to shave ready and you learn how to use them to maintain your razor"

Then I would whole heartedly agree....

That is exactly what I have always said and meant. If you are starting with a shave ready razor and not doing eBay specials, you can shave for an entire lifetime with a barber hone or a coticule. I know because I've done it. Whenever anyone asks me, I always explain that I only buy new or NOS razors, that I can usually hone them myself but, a couple of times I have had to send them out to be honed the first time. This is my factual experience during 29 years of shaving.

One last clarification ... I am saying you CAN do that, not that it is the ideal. I did shave off of a barber hone for 28 years and in the last year I have done a lot of experimenting. I have a Norton 4K/8K, a BBW, three coticules, a Chinese 12K and pastes. I just don't use them very much because I am able to maintain my shave-ready razors with a coticule and shave to my satisfaction.

I think that new members should be exposed to all the points of view. I find that they are intelligent people and can decide what they want to do based on their needs. I am not a honing expert and have never presented myself as such. All I have ever done is responded to someone who asks, "do I have to buy all these different hones?" and I say "no you don't HAVE to. If etc., etc., you CAN..."

For the life of me I don't understand why people get so nervous about this subject.