Thread: Coticule and what i think

Originally Posted by JCitron

I will mail a cookie to anyone who actually read through both of these long posts.

I got halfway through it, may I have half a cookie?

Originally Posted by JCitron

Also, though we call them newbies, these are all full grown adults here. It's not as if we're preaching to impressionable minds of youth. You see everyday several newbs posting questions before they go out and buy items.

YES! And they are typically obsessive compulsive full grown adults who will read everything before they buy anything. I for one don't worry about our newbies because they aren't fools.

When I got into honing, I read what Lynn says, Glenn says, PMed RandyDance, talked Howard's ear off and got lots of great advice from el alamein at smf (elbonator here I think), and got real comfortable before I bought anything. I think the only hone purchase I made that I wouldn't repeat is my BBW, and it was pretty cheap. I enjoyed Bart's posts but what he said never really resonated to me and when I tried it didn't do much for me, but the other guys' stuff really worked for me, so that's what I do, and I took pieces of advice from each. I think that's pretty typical. People here are thorough and aren't easily misled.

Ok, where's my cookie?

Originally Posted by JCitron

I understand that a newbie that reads about just using one coti and all the success may go out and buy one. But honestly, what's the worst that would come of it? The method dosn't work for them, they pick up a lower grit hone to set bevels, and they're fine.

It's not as if the he was preaching using a stone that has no use outside of his method. I think any newb would be just as swayed by the countless posts about the "best" finishers as they would this idea.

Also, though we call them newbies, these are all full grown adults here. It's not as if we're preaching to impressionable minds of youth. You see everyday several newbs posting questions before they go out and buy items. I think for the most part incorrect assumptions come before they find this site.

How can we sit here and all day long point them to the wiki, and the search function so that they can find all the info they need, and at the same time tell someone that the method they propose may mislead a newbie. If we want new members to learn all they can before making decisions, we should allow our members to post all possible methods.

And FWIW, I'm in the camp that just because something takes an extra 30 minutes doesn't make it a lesser option if you're a casual honer. If I honed several blades a day, I would absolutely want the quickest, most reliable method. But I don't, and I don't think most newbs to this site do either.

I guess it all depends if you hone for the journey, or you hone for the end product.

I will mail a cookie to anyone who actually read through both of these long posts.

I am a casual honer for my self i have one mate who i met through here srp and i have sheared my honing experiance with him in person and he made me a balsa paddle and i gave him some ch.5 pwder for free so it all good. weve honed several blades together and we have borrowed each others differant hones. I enjoy honing and i'll be onest i wished i had more old razors to hone if it takes me two hours or five i don't mind the end result is what matters now have got alot better i'm a lot quiker because i no what i can use for what situation my stroping is quiker i can do 100 laps on a coti in five minutes easy it would took me 5 times longer when i first started out honing. With what i have learned i like setting bevel on dmt rather than my norton 1k i like going bbw s then yellow water it does work realy consistant for me but as i own 4k/8k i like to slot them in before my bbw/coti and for me it is very consistant.

Enjoy!

Originally Posted by Jimbo

Ah, well I must admit I did not read that thread in its entirety. I do not use my coticule very often, so I tend to not pay a lot of attention to coticule-based threads.

It is certainly important to ensure newer users get a balanced view of all aspects of straight razors including honing, although I do wonder why they would be perusing the Advanced Honing Topics forum, or if they are why they would think the ideas expressed in there are appropriate to someone with little to no experience - maybe a sticky warning them that the basic honing forum is more appropriate to their needs would be in order?

James.

It was origninally in the basic honing section instead of Advance. It was moved after it was pulled I belive.
MikeB

Originally Posted by JCitron

I understand that a newbie that reads about just using one coti and all the success may go out and buy one. But honestly, what's the worst that would come of it? The method dosn't work for them, they pick up a lower grit hone to set bevels, and they're fine.

It's not as if the he was preaching using a stone that has no use outside of his method. I think any newb would be just as swayed by the countless posts about the "best" finishers as they would this idea.

Also, though we call them newbies, these are all full grown adults here. It's not as if we're preaching to impressionable minds of youth. You see everyday several newbs posting questions before they go out and buy items. I think for the most part incorrect assumptions come before they find this site.

How can we sit here and all day long point them to the wiki, and the search function so that they can find all the info they need, and at the same time tell someone that the method they propose may mislead a newbie. If we want new members to learn all they can before making decisions, we should allow our members to post all possible methods.

And FWIW, I'm in the camp that just because something takes an extra 30 minutes doesn't make it a lesser option if you're a casual honer. If I honed several blades a day, I would absolutely want the quickest, most reliable method. But I don't, and I don't think most newbs to this site do either.

I guess it all depends if you hone for the journey, or you hone for the end product.

I will mail a cookie to anyone who actually read through both of these long posts.

I only hone for myself and have a finite amount of razors. I miss honing when I run out. I've many times dulled cheaper ebay beaters just to hone them again. I like to savor the journey on a coticule. I know this sounds kinda weird.
MikeB

Originally Posted by sdsquarepoint

I only hone for myself and have a finite amount of razors. I miss honing when I run out. I've many times dulled cheaper ebay beaters just to hone them again. I like to savor the journey on a coticule. I know this sounds kinda weird.
MikeB

Makes perfect sense to me.

Originally Posted by zib

For the price you'd pay for one Japanese Natural hone or a Coticule and BBW, you can buy the entire line of Naniwa Superstones at SRD.

Not if you're patient. I got my first bout from howard for like $60. The next 4 coticules were all combos and cost me a total of $50-$60 on ebay. Be patient and persistent and Ebay will reward you.

Plus that Naniwa 12K is over $70, I know I can find a coti combo for less than that.

Originally Posted by zib

For the price you'd pay for one Japanese Natural hone or a Coticule and BBW, you can buy the entire line of Naniwa Superstones at SRD.

Not really...

[Edit: why is it so hard to find the hones at SRD?]

[Edit: Okay, currently just half the line of naniwa at SRD (1k - 10k) will cost $250 + shipping. I got a Japanese hone and a BBW/Coticule natural combination hone for less than that. But that is not really the point, is it? Different tools for different workers, different jobs, different preferences regardless of the price. Though the naniwa seem to be a great hone for the price, they are not the only option as far as cost is concerned]

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Not really...

[Edit: why is it so hard to find the hones at SRD?]

[Edit: Okay, currently just half the line of naniwa at SRD (1k - 10k) will cost $250 + shipping. I got a Japanese hone and a BBW/Coticule natural combination hone for less than that. But that is not really the point, is it? Different tools for different workers, different jobs, different preferences regardless of the price. Though the naniwa seem to be a great hone for the price, they are not the only option as far as cost is concerned]

Another option is the full set of Shapton GlassStones with the GDLP for a bit over 1K. For that you could get a nearly mint Dubl Duck Goldedge