Thread: Setting bevel with Naniwa 1k

O.k.. I have to be missing something very simple here.

My normal progression is the following.

DMT 600->BBW -> Coticule -> Nakayama ->Paste(Optional)

Well... I decided to pick up a naniwa 1k after i had a blade not get along w/the dmt.

Normally when setting the bevel on the DMT I use TPT to guage where I'm at and dont move off of it until i am popping hairs.

Well.. On the naniwa i never get to the "hair popping" point. but i'm guessing this is because it does not put the rough serrations in the lbade the dmt does.

I'm not sure exactly what i'm looking for before moving on to the BBW. I honed to what i thought was a sharp bevel using TPT and the end result was no good.

Changed it up a bit, set bevel on DMT, then did 10 strokes on Naniwa. End result was better than naniwa alone.

But it is just me right? the same progression should work fine w/ a naniwa in the place of the dmt right?

I'm guessing this is all me. Anyone else doing a similiar progression of natural stones after the Naniwa?

/sorry for the rambling.... i do that sometimes.
//feel like a moron

I am not using natural stones after the Naniwa Super 1K, but for me the key on the 1K is to get to where the razors feels pocket knife sharp almost really sticky sharp on the TPT and it is amost always good to go from there.

Lynn

As someone who never gets to experience hair popping (I'm not bald, I just have fine hair that doesn't pop--I always assumed my honing sucked until Randy's honing also failed to cut my hair.), I have to rely upon the thumb pad test (TPT).

Clearly since you have chosen to combine the DMT and the Naniwa 1k for bevel setting, you just need to adjust your TPT to accommodate the response to your new hone. I know when to declare my bevel to be set by the way the TPT feels. I believe that you just need to re-adjust your TPT assessment. Soon you will develop a better sense of when you have the bevel properly set.

I can't help with a naniwa because I opted for the shapton pros

but I can say that I've been switching hones a lot lately and it takes some time to adjust

keep at it and I'm sure it'll all work itself out

Thanks everyone. The plan wasnt really to combine the dmt and naniwa...

It just worked out that way tonight after some frustration... i just need to figure out this stone i s'pose.

Hey Bart,
Yes, that is the difference I have found. Either the DMT gives it a finer polish than the Nani, or its the serrations that give it the cutting ability. Either case, when my Nani feels like a sharp pocketknife, like Lynn says. It will however cut my fine arm hairs. I know my DMT is done when it cuts the fine arm hairs in a certain way, at a certain angle. Same thing with the Nani. Nani just feels more dull, and probably is. But thats ok, the rest of the Nanis more than makes up for it.

Ben I think it might just take a few razors for you to nail down how it should feel coming off that particular hone for bevel setting. Like Lynn said that sticky sharp is a good indicator, so long as you can feel what you're feeling for.

I'm curious to see how a progression without the DMT will feel on the final edge to a progression that includes the DMT at bevel creation stage

I have the dmt1200 1k norton and now naniwa 1k and the naniwa alone cuts very quik and gives a good bevel i just hone until it shaves arm hair the tnt realy drags and then after that all feels good just move on use what ever takes your fancy tpt is good but after several tests i find my thumb becomes imune to the rzor edge

bah.. i am really struggling with this stone. I refuse to give up on it though. i have a bad habit of buying new hones then selling them after a brief time.


I am wondering if the bbw just does not play well with it

Still assuming and hoping i am the problem though

Bart,
Is the razor capable of shaving at least some arm hairs off the Nani? It does for me, perhaps your using too much pressure? Or not enough time on the 1k?

When the 1k shaves my arm hairs in a certain way is when I know I'm done with the nani 1k.

edit:
And if all else fails, I suggest setting the bevel with the DMT or come really close to setting the bevel, and then do 10-20 strokes on the Nani to smooth out the bevel. Thats what I did until I learned how to use the Nani 1k.