Thread: Charnley Forest vs Escher

Thanks again, all you gents are right. My skills are the culprit not the coticule. I honed a Dovo, and in just 10 min I had a super shaver. On the other hand I honed a Heljestrand MK31 NOS and after 1 hour still have problems at HHT, so for sure I miss someting . I did Unicot on all razors.
The stone just with water is not make any slurry even after 100 X strokes. So is not so fast cutting as I think. I will try to bring at least one more razor to the Dovo sharpenes, after all I just have the stone fot 1 week.This is the stone.I just finish with my RAD and now HAD!!!Those flu.
Warm regards
Livio

Originally Posted by livio

Thanks again, all you gents are right. My skills are the culprit not the coticule. I honed a Dovo, and in just 10 min I had a super shaver. On the other hand I honed a Heljestrand MK31 NOS and after 1 hour still have problems at HHT, so for sure I miss someting . I did Unicot on all razors.
The stone just with water is not make any slurry even after 100 X strokes. So is not so fast cutting as I think. I will try to bring at least one more razor to the Dovo sharpenes, after all I just have the stone fot 1 week.This is the stone.I just finish with my RAD and now HAD!!!Those flu.
Warm regards
Livio

Forget the HHT, just shave and see how it is.
HHT has to be calibrated to particular hair type one will always use for the test, and even then it might not be telling of how good the edge is.
Sometimes I wish the HHT was never invented, it seems it confuses people more than it helps them.

Originally Posted by mainaman

Forget the HHT, just shave and see how it is.
Sometimes I wish the HHT was never invented, it seems it confuses people more than it helps them.

I Agree. If you know what kind of results from a hanging hair test give you when you shave from a lot of experience then it's different but for new honers to use a HHT with scales and numbers assigned to it for a result comparison is just beyond my comprehension.

Just shave and see!

Originally Posted by livio

Thank you for your advices, gents. I think I will try to take my best from
coticule, after all is just a week and 4 razors experience.I understand now
not all the razors respond the same to a method or a stone. I will be creative and try different variations of Unicot and Dilucot, and I will keep
the Escher on my mind, just in case a good deal show up.
Regards
Livio

In all likelihood, most people have more natural talent - take to honing more easily than I. In 10 days w/ the coti, 2-3 blades honed/day (and the test shaves). I got 2 passable edges. Neither would be in the same universe as another stone I use & love. On the evening of the 10th day (that would be 30 blades), it clicked. Edges were now in the ballpark of my pet rock, and very respectable.

I'm not saying there aren't rocks other than your coti, but ask the pros about how many blades it takes to get to know a natural rock. You can drop alot of money on stones with the 4 blade approach. Take your time. Pay your dues in labor to get to know the rocks. Ask questions, get gracious answers from guys that are down the road a bit. Yes, the learning can be a bugger. You'll be glad you did the work. You'll have more arrows in your quiver (techniques) for each rock you master. If your doctor told you that you have too much money, there are many place that can help.

Originally Posted by CJBianco

.. If you can't get sharp and smooth off the C12K, it's your technique and an expensive stone won't improve the edges. Christopher

Hi Christopher.

Now it's my turn to get pushed back to the Skills acquisition tutor.

I used a c12k for 6 months exclusively. I can get sharp. I have yet to get smooth. 'Tried slurry, tried mixing crox w/ the slurry, painted a crox grid on the back side of the rock (this helped a bit), but never have an edge that's even in the ballpark on the 'smooth' scale.

Is this stone variation? or is there a technique for the c-brick that makes it yield smooth?
'Had the same issue w/ a transluscent arkie.

Originally Posted by mainaman

Forget the HHT, just shave and see how it is.
HHT has to be calibrated to particular hair type one will always use for the test, and even then it might not be telling of how good the edge is.
Sometimes I wish the HHT was never invented, it seems it confuses people more than it helps them.

Also totally agree! This test has to be developed in reverse, going from an edge that you know shaves well, otherwise it's just a parlor trick or a source of frustration for new people.

The farthest I go into HHT-land is "mowing" arm or leg hairs w/ the blade above the skin--no numbers, just going by feel. Gives a pretty reliable indication of sharpness (for ME, after 3+ years of experience honing, that is) but tells me absolutely nothing about how comfortably the blade will shave; only that it should be sharp enough to shave. Only the shave test works for that.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Which is "Better" the Blond, the Redhead or the Brunette?????

Pretty much the same question

Glen your forgetting one thing,maybe its an east cost thing but here when carburetors were king (this is a family forum so Ill abbreviate) the RCH was a standard unit of measurement,as is turn it a RCH to the right there very rare and its a small unit of measuring. I hope you guys can figure it out ,if not ask your mechanic,or PM me.Not that I think of it it can be used here also,sometimes a blade needs just a RCH more stropping....think about it.