Thread: It really isn't Rocket Science

Originally Posted by holli4pirating

I think I read somewhere on here that King and Norton use different grit rating/measuring systems and that the King 1k is like a Norton 4k as far as grit goes. I don't know if this is accurate, but it wouldn't really surprise me.

Doing some reading this am I found this. is there any truth or confirmation of it? Did I just spend 2 hours trying to put a bevel on what amounts to my Norton 4k. I had read that the King was a slower cutter, but i thought that might have been advantage in the early going.

It is my understanding that both use the JiS scale -BUT- and that is a big but

First off those grit scales are about useless between brands,,, In fact any grit ratings are about useless between brands...

They do not take anything but the "Cutting" grit of the stone into account which makes them more useless they do not even take into account the "Amount" (density) of cutting grit in the stone...
Nor the type, shape, or the binder itself...

Now after all that, yes the Norton 1k is more aggressive then the King 1k but a King 1k is perfectly capable of setting bevels in fact it sets them rather nicely because it leaves a nicer finish...


Edit: Just to be perfectly clear here, I personally think that reading grit scales is not only useless, but can actually be very mis-leading, in fact I wish there were never even put in the Wiki They should be given the same disclaimer as we see on TV (For entertainment purposes only)

thanks Glen... appreciate your input as always

Trust me it ain't all my input hehehe I read about Nortons using the JiS scale on here, one of the guys actually talked to a Norton rep... I am half looking for the thread today if I find it I'll post it... Now the actual hands on comparison to the two setting bevels on razors,, yep that is all me hehehe

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Now after all that, yes the Norton 1k is more aggressive then the King 1k but a King 1k is perfectly capable of setting bevels in fact it sets them rather nicely because it leaves a nicer finish...

If you have a dmt or some type of hard stone that you can use to generate a slurry on the King 1k, it is a decent cutter.

/I learned it from you man, I learned it from you.

I hear ya Ben,, I have used a Norton 1k then a King 1k into the Norton 4k/8k before too, just because I like the finish on the King better LOL

Whatever it takes to get the bevel set,, after that it's all gravy

Originally Posted by dyimages

Doing some reading this am I found this. is there any truth or confirmation of it? Did I just spend 2 hours trying to put a bevel on what amounts to my Norton 4k. I had read that the King was a slower cutter, but i thought that might have been advantage in the early going.

A few years ago I bought a set of Shapton professional stones. I used the 5k (no 4k in Shapton pro) and the 8k in pyramids. It was painfully slow going. This was following setting the bevel with a 1k Shap pro. Shortly thereafter I bought the naniwa superstones and at about the same time read Smokintbird's thread on the Japanese grit charts versus the USA charts.

I found that a pyramid with the Shapton pro 2k (no 3k in shapton pro) and the 5k, followed by finishing on the pro 8k yielded much better results. I used the naniwa 3k and 5k in a pyramid and finished on the 8k for better results too. Also based on the grit comparisons I found within the charts. All you can do is lay a few blades on those hones and see what works best for you. That was what worked for me. YMMV.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I hear ya Ben,, I have used a Norton 1k then a King 1k into the Norton 4k/8k before too, just becasue I like the finish on the King better LOL

Whatever it takes to get the bevel set,, after that it's all gravy

So if one wanted to try to be a cheapskate and do a pyramid with the King hones, what would you recommend someone use?

Originally Posted by dyimages

i had done the thumb nail pad test. I tried arm hair but i am cursed with little arm air and fine what is there. And hanging hair a tough option for me as my head is pretty much shaved

I too have little arm hair, so far I have tried chest and belly hair but that's as far down as I'm willing to go...haha

Thanks Porrridgeorange, i really need the laugh right now.

Okay going to keep all my stupid questions in one spot right now, I am back on the Ontario cutlery and working it like a 2.00 hooker on a friday night...But accepting the 1k is slower cutter than other stones should I or Could I

1)Spend more time on circles - supposedly this speeds up the removal of material
2)use more pressure on my x strokes
3) all of the above