Thread: Beginners, The 1k shave . . .

While many noobs like me participated in JaNorton, I certainly see tons of merit in trying to maximize what we can get from each stone before moving on. It's phenomenal basic training for honing noobs like me. I realized, thanks to this thread, that I need to focus on my 1k technique before I bother moving up. Once I get that down, I'll gladly move onto maximizing my 4k. If people don't want to play, then don't, but it's a different thing than JaNorton.

Originally Posted by epd

Not sure where you are going with that statement, I dont recall anyone trying to shave off their 4k during janorton (didnt follow it too closely though)

My first post of this thread references janorton.

I do believe it would be beneficial for all of us who tried the 1k and learned something from it, to try to improve their 4k aswell.

That being said I dont see any 4k challenge, do you?

Don't get your panties in a bunch, kiddo. I was replying to Benjamin's post about starting a 4k thread. The JaNorton encompassed setting a bevel on the 4k, and shaving off the 8k. If you were successful at this process, why would you then start a whole new "challenge" on shaving off the 4k when you already know how to utilize it from the JaNorton thread. Seems to me like you're covering the same ground, doesn't it?

I do Believe that jdto, just nailed it..

As you move higher it is good to know exactly what each next step brings to the edge...

If I might add some ideas that you guys might consider,,

I would suggest a "Sharpening stone/hone" test ie: 3k-6k Natural or Synthetic there are a few different ones out there, and it would open this test to even more people..


Basically set your bevel on the 1k then sharpen on the next stone and test shave after Linen and Leather ...

Can you tell I have tried this step by step stuff in the past anyway just thought that might help a bit

Originally Posted by BenjamanBarker

...i don't know if the Filly shaved my A$$...

interesting, i think i would definitely know if a razor did that.

Success! This afternoon I went back with the TÍ Le Canadien to give it another go. 20 medium pressure circles each ide, then a couple dozen or so x-strokes until it passed the tnt. Then I did 20 light x, Arm hair test was good. 20 more and then crox for 25 and iron ox for 25 on balsa. 50 on the 'roo and the shave was quite good. A bit more sting from the aftershave was the only real indicator of a rougher edge than usual. I've had trouble with this hard steel, so getting it down felt great.

ahh, found the thread again.. i just had success at this and was pleasantly surprised how "good" a 1.2K edge could be.. great learning tool, before spending time moving up the grits

Great to hear. Its a real eye opener isn't it!
I struggled for a long time after this thread getting the full potential out of my edges. I knew my strokes were perfect but my edges still suffered, turned out to be too many strokes on the higher grits.
I now try to hone with as little strokes as possible, checking it along the way.
Eric.

Originally Posted by epd

Great to hear. Its a real eye opener isn't it!
I struggled for a long time after this thread getting the full potential out of my edges. I knew my strokes were perfect but my edges still suffered, turned out to be too many strokes on the higher grits.
I now try to hone with as little strokes as possible, checking it along the way.
Eric.

What do you think was happening with too many strokes?

I was breaking down the edge by over stroking and making the edge too frail. I thought it was impossible at first but after reading something Glen posted I made the connection.
Apparently the edge is optimal at X microns thick, and thinner is no good for shaving.
The drawing I used to pose the question of thin went sometning like this....
\/ is bad (too thin in microscopic terms)
\_/ is good.... Again microscopic, bevel is fully set to the maximum potential.
Hopefully that helps!
Eric.

I goofed around some more with this idea. I did a full diamond regimen.

Bevel set-DMT 1200 mesh
Diamond paste-9 micron and 3 micron
Diamond Spray-1 micron, .5 and .25

worked fine and it was really sharp. not sure if this, meaning so much diamond sprays and pastes, destroys the spirit of the experimentation