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03-01-2013, 07:12 AM #1
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Thanked: 2Gemstar Honing Video-Attention GSsixgun!
Dear GSsixgun and fellow Razorheads-I viewed your Norton 4K/8K honing video the umpteenth time and realized that I have NOT been following your video correctly. When you refer to pyramiding on this video, are you referring to going back to the 4K and then to the 8K after setting the bevel on the 4K? These are the steps of your video. Please correct me where I'm wrong, okay?
Starting out with Norton 4K and a clean D8C, you lap the 4K and then create a slurry with the Nagura stone.
20 circular heavy strokes both directions followed by 20 circular heavy strokes both directions.
Inspect bevel for evenness .
5 relatively heavy straight and then 5 relatively heavy X strokes both directions and check for sharpness, and then 5 more X strokes are done.
Move to 8K and clean and lap with clean D8C.
5 lighter straight strokes both directions followed by 5 lighter X strokes both directions.
Returning to the Norton 4K, you perform 2-4 light straight strokes and then 2-4 light X strokes in both directions.At this point in time, you are feeling for any edge irregularities, correct?
Returning to 8K Norton, you perform 2-4 light straight strokes and check bevel for evenness and sharpness.You are also feeling for any edge irregularities at this point in time, correct?
Wipe all water off of 8K Norton and do 10-20 light straight strokes.
Retape and strop on leather strap and yer done?
I was not returning to the Norton 4K and was going Norton 4K, then 8K, followed by 12K Naniwa and then leather strop. I was also not using the small Nagura stone, although I bought one after viewing your video for the first time. I think that I was also overusing the wet thumbnail test at 4K -this is to be done very little and with very light pressure and only at 4K, correct?
Again, if you you or anyone else could properly explain pyramiding, I'd greatly appreciate it, along with any clarifications on the steps that I outlined from your Gemstar site video-Gearhead
UPDATE-Found the Pyramid honing guide on SRP Wiki and it's great! Just printed it for reference.Last edited by gearhead222; 03-01-2013 at 07:29 AM.
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03-01-2013, 08:08 AM #2
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gssixgun JaNorton 2 - YouTube
These are all using the Norton 4/8, I don't strop with tapeThese vids are simply guides, they do get pretty close once the bevel is set if you are counting laps HOWEVER the counts are still just guides, your honing is not the same as mine it still is about feel not numbers.. Pyramiding is all about sneaking up on the edge, it gets closer and closer slowly, and let's you learn the feel of the edge...
The wet TNT is for bevel checking, (It isn't about the 4k level it is testing for a Bevel set) it along with the Arm Hair Test confirms a solidly set bevel, a double pass is a pretty strong indicator that your bevel is set..
Some people have trouble with one or the other test, so use the one that works best for you if you can't use both effectively..
The wet TNT also has a secondary function it actually smooths and evens up the edge almost like killing the edge but without the same degree, it is very effective for me since I do so many restored edges...
Once you have a positive smooth bevel set it is no longer used in the tests regardless of the grit you are at, ie: if I am honing 1-4-8-12 once I set the bevel at 1k I will not use the TNT at 4k or higher...
Last edited by gssixgun; 03-01-2013 at 08:22 AM.