Thread: How sharp do you like it?

You fellas think of sharpness in a completely different way than I do. Try to see things my way

Originally Posted by TonyFranciozi

As a woodworker of many years who thinks power tools are the devil's work, I can safely say I've sharpened the equivalent of thousands of razors. That is in the form of planes, chisels, saws, augers, drill bits, scrapers, etc. Not to mention the razors in my meager collection. The tools may be different, but the concept is the same.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Ahhhhhhhh, now it all makes sense, thanks for the clarification...

Originally Posted by TonyFranciozi

You fellas think of sharpness in a completely different way than I do. Try to see things my way

Bingo !!!! hence why I gave up trying to explain it to you...

Originally Posted by TonyFranciozi

You fellas think of sharpness in a completely different way than I do. Try to see things my way

That's OK, Tony. As a fellow wood worker I understand. Don't waste your time trying to explain--they have their own mythology here, and it's not productive to challenge another's religion. ;-)

Originally Posted by TonyFranciozi

You fellas think of sharpness in a completely different way than I do. Try to see things my way

Originally Posted by mdarnton

That's OK, Tony. As a fellow wood worker I understand. Don't waste your time trying to explain--they have their own mythology here, and it's not productive to challenge another's religion. ;-)

Let's see if I can explain it using an anology that many here will understand...

You are what we call in some forms of martials arts (in dojo japanese) "Jukyu Sensei" Or "Student Teacher"

When a Black Belt of one style steps into the Dojo of another to learn the second style a few things can happen..

1. They accept that they are starting at square one and learn the new art, using their pervious training to excel at a slightly faster rate then a rank beginner..

2. They let their ego take over and not let go of the fact that they know nothing of the new style, and refuse to learn the new ways.

3. They try and teach their old style to the people of the new Dojo, continuously trying to convice them of their old arts superiority, and never learn the fine points and nuance of the new style...

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Let's see if I can explain it using an anology that many here will understand...

Well, since you know everything already, no further comments are needed, right?

Originally Posted by mdarnton

Well, since you know everything already, no further comments are needed, right?

I suggest this thread be kept civil and the personal feelings be put aside along with the little "jab comments"
Let's get it back on track and do what most come here for...gather information and learn. Thank you.

Originally Posted by mdarnton

Well, since you know everything already, no further comments are needed, right?

WOW!! Just WOW! Talk about having a chip on your shoulder.
That type of post is really helpful on a forum I guess.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Let's see if I can explain it using an anology that many here will understand...

You are what we call in some forms of martials arts (in dojo japanese) "Jukyu Sensei" Or "Student Teacher"

When a Black Belt of one style steps into the Dojo of another to learn the second style a few things can happen..

1. They accept that they are starting at square one and learn the new art, using their pervious training to excel at a slightly faster rate then a rank beginner..

2. They let their ego take over and not let go of the fact that they know nothing of the new style, and refuse to learn the new ways.

3. They try and teach their old style to the people of the new Dojo, continuously trying to convice them of their old arts superiority, and never learn the fine points and nuance of the new style...

Transitioning from sharpening tools to razors is not stepping into a new "art" (sharpening is just a skill btw), and I don't feel my method is any better than yours sixgun. I've seen your videos, and I don't doubt your honing skills.

What you are saying would be more analogous to me making my first guitar after years of making furniture, and then trying to tell Mr. Darnton something about lutherie. I don't have that kind of chutzpah.

It's important to know when a blade is sharp, but it's also important to know when a horse is dead.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Let's see if I can explain it using an anology that many here will understand...

You are what we call in some forms of martials arts (in dojo japanese) "Jukyu Sensei" Or "Student Teacher"

When a Black Belt of one style steps into the Dojo of another to learn the second style a few things can happen..

1. They accept that they are starting at square one and learn the new art, using their pervious training to excel at a slightly faster rate then a rank beginner..

2. They let their ego take over and not let go of the fact that they know nothing of the new style, and refuse to learn the new ways.

3. They try and teach their old style to the people of the new Dojo, continuously trying to convice them of their old arts superiority, and never learn the fine points and nuance of the new style...

Thank You Gentlemen for proving me right



#1

Originally Posted by unit

I have probably sharpened several miles of edge over the years including some pretty exotic super steels used in high end knives and competition choppers.

With all this "knowledge" of edge working, I scoffed at razor honers and their "sacred religion" just like some others. I tossed their advice to the side and restored three razors (with frowns, rust, and badly shaped bevels). I was able to repair them with ease and hone them back to a slight smile with ice uniform bevels that shaved my face as comfortably as any of my beautifully honed knives...which is to say QUITE uncomfortably!

I quickly figured that all these guys spouting about how comfortable and close their straight shaves were probably were not smoking crack, but rather were onto something I had not yet learned.

Behold!!! After over a quarter century I had NOT learned everything there is to know about honing...what a concept!!!!

#2

Originally Posted by mdarnton

Well, since you know everything already, no further comments are needed, right?

#3

Originally Posted by TonyFranciozi

Transitioning from sharpening tools to razors is not stepping into a new "art" (sharpening is just a skill btw), .

There ya go Ace been wanting to use that emoticon