Thread: Damascus blade

I'd love a wootz razor. AFAIK no-one makes one. The TI and the maestro livi are both pattern welded, as Mr blue says.

I bet TI have never made a wootz blade.

Wanna get a real damascus razor?

1) Acquire a damascus sword
2) Grind off everything that doesn't look like a razor

Lot's of good technical information here. Only thing I can say is that if you haven't actually honed one or shaved with one, no matter what we are talking about then you can only speculate. Not that that is the worse thing considering the knowledge base here. What's fun is to see when one will micro chip out, what pattern causes a serration to the edge, how to stabilize an edge, etc. This sport is getting more awesome every day......hahahahaha.

http://www.damasteel.biz/index.html Thought you guys might wanna look here as well.

Have fun.

Lynn

nice read, thanks to the contributors

Cheers
Ivo

ClassicShaving claim this razor is made of genuine wootz: http://www.classicshaving.com/catalo...551/977928.htm

Originally Posted by Kees

ClassicShaving claim this razor is made of genuine wootz: http://www.classicshaving.com/catalo...551/977928.htm

That's the photo I've been referring to. That is not wootz but pattern welded steel or laminated steel.

Here's one of the seminal references:

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM...even-9809.html

The pictures in the above article should give some good contrasting views of what wootz should look like.

Dennis has a very good picture of a wootz blade: http://www.brisa.fi/wootz3.html

Now, carefully examine the area of the razor, just above the polished edge, in the oval escutcheon photo. Those are laminations. Laminations do not appear in wootz blades, as a feature of the steel itself. There might be laminations because some wootz smith was welding several buttons together to make a larger blade, but it would hardly be necessary for a razor.

Wootz dendritic crystals are also more interrupted in appearance. You can't generally find the end of one line and follow it very far. But a laminated blade contains lines that are fairly easy to follow even if very small.

I stick by my contention, not wootz in the classic shaving photo.

Damn Mike you're about to blow my mind here! Good info


Justin

Originally Posted by Mike Blue

That's the photo I've been referring to. That is not wootz but pattern welded steel or laminated steel.

Here's one of the seminal references:

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM...even-9809.html

The pictures in the above article should give some good contrasting views of what wootz should look like.

Dennis has a very good picture of a wootz blade: http://www.brisa.fi/wootz3.html

Now, carefully examine the area of the razor, just above the polished edge, in the oval escutcheon photo. Those are laminations. Laminations do not appear in wootz blades, as a feature of the steel itself. There might be laminations because some wootz smith was welding several buttons together to make a larger blade, but it would hardly be necessary for a razor.

Wootz dendritic crystals are also more interrupted in appearance. You can't generally find the end of one line and follow it very far. But a laminated blade contains lines that are fairly easy to follow even if very small.

I stick by my contention, not wootz in the classic shaving photo.

I agree they look very different.

So would this Russian knifesmith ( http://wootz-online.com/ ) use the real stuff: ? To me his blades look more like the steel of the brisa site. Do you agree?

So would brisa be able to make a razor for Zomax?

Originally Posted by mparker762

Wanna get a real damascus razor?

1) Acquire a damascus sword
2) Grind off everything that doesn't look like a razor

Finally, a common sense suggestion. I'll take s-words for $30, Trabek.

Originally Posted by ernestrome

I'd love a wootz razor. AFAIK no-one makes one. The TI and the maestro livi are both pattern welded, as Mr blue says.

I bet TI have never made a wootz blade.

I believe that some Livis, at least, are made from Damasteel. Not necessarily a bad thing - I have shaved with one each day for the last seven months and enjoyed it a lot.

Chris