Thread: Newer dovo with significant hone wear

Originally Posted by burns420

Here's some of the posts and threads I've read about Dovo razor issues

Post #16 here
http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...ne-wear-2.html

http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...even-wave.html

Another, #10 mentions grind issue
http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...rp-honing.html

http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...ped-blade.html

I would say, if you are new and unsure who to believe at face value, PM and ask. Ask a person how many Dovo's they've honed themselves, how many of those had faults, how many razors they've honed, how long they've been honing, etc. I'm not saying the people you link to are not credible or anything, but talk to the senior guys who have honed hundreds of Dovo's, or even hundreds of razors and only tens of Dovos, and you'll get a very different picture.

Yes, I'm sure Dovo has produced some poorly made razors, but the problem is that people make it sound like they produce mostly poorly made razors. Consider how many razors Dovo manufactures and look at how few negative posts there are about them.

Also, saying a razor has a poor grind is like saying the door to a brand new car will not stay closed.

Originally Posted by burns420

Here's some of the posts and threads I've read about Dovo razor issues

Post #16 here
http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...ne-wear-2.html

http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...even-wave.html

Another, #10 mentions grind issue
http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...rp-honing.html

http://straightrazorpalace.com/honin...ped-blade.html

Looks like a reasonable riposte to all the uncalled-for sniping you have had to put up with in this post for simply asking a question - you have my sympathy.

Regards,
Neil

Originally Posted by Neil Miller

Looks like a reasonable riposte to all the uncalled-for sniping you have had to put up with in this post for simply asking a question - you have my sympathy.

Regards,
Neil

^Look at the posts referenced there. Those are posts within 4 month of people joining, and two start with "I'm just learning how to hone." How credible are those posts? How much experience do those users have?

Originally Posted by burns420

Just wondering if this was common after honing newer Dovos that may have been poorly ground

I dunno about anyone else, but I read that as implying that new Dovos are likely to be poorly ground.

Pretend I made strops and someone said "Just wondering if this was common after applying strop dressing to Holli4's strops that may have been poorly surfaced, or is a result of excessive use." I would view that as a negative comment on my products, craftsmanship, and business.

There is a lot of hearsay about Dovo's being poor quality, but not a lot of hard evidence. Everytime someone says "I heard" or "I read," the hearsay is propagated. If you go back to the source, it's usually from inexperienced users or those with agendas - that is, if the source is even an owner.

Originally Posted by holli4pirating

^Look at the posts referenced there. Those are posts within 4 month of people joining, and two start with "I'm just learning how to hone." How credible are those posts? How much experience do those users have?

...it's usually from inexperienced users or those with agendas - that is, if the source is even an owner.

To be fair, that doesn't at all describe the warp honing thread the OP linked. The first six posts are exclusively Mentors and a Senior Moderator. Considering comments like Glen's first line in #6 of that thread, I tend to share Neil's views about this one.

Originally Posted by burns420

A friend of mine gave me a Dovo special 6/8 that he got as part of a set of barber supplies for his wife. It looks fairly new but it has quite a bit if hone wear. Just wondering if this was common after honing newer Dovos that may have been poorly ground to have quite a bit of the spine worn down or if someone(maybe the barber) just honed it often or maybe used a knife whetstone or something. The wear is even, and the edge is pretty wide also(from the edge to the bevel is 2mm, if that makes sense). It is somewhat sharp but not enough to shave with. Any thoughts? I can post pics later.

As you may have guessed, it is pretty hard to diagnose problems over the internet, especially when you are new and confused in the terminology and giving wrong descriptions.

So, let's not use words that you're not sure about and stick to the simple and clear things.
2mm wide bevel is a lot. I don't have many dovos but looking at an old (over 65 years) 5/8 one I have the bevel is 0.1-0.2mm.
How much is the width of the flattening on the spine?
The ones I've seen have less than 1/32" from the factory.

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that whatever is troubling you is a result from poor honing, which is pretty common.

Originally Posted by northpaw

To be fair, that doesn't at all describe the warp honing thread the OP linked. The first six posts are exclusively Mentors and a Senior Moderator. Considering comments like Glen's first line in #6 of that thread, I tend to share Neil's views about this one.

Fair enough about what Glen and Bart said; I only read the post the OP referenced, which was by a new guy. As for the other early posts, it looks to me like Gary was, at the time, pretty new to honing. JMS doesn't seem to reference Dovos in his post. Yes, Mentors and a Senior Mod, but I've been a mentor and am now a mod, but my posts from back when I was learning are probably quite inaccurate. Some were pointed out to me, hence my sig.

Also, those posts are from about a year ago. I think it is quite possible that Dovo has improved their quality since then. I'm not saying that they have, I'm saying I don't know. Are there more recent posts with more recent evidence? I'm asking based on my limited experience at Lynn's, where I picked out 24 Dovo's at random from Lynn's "Wall O'Dovo" and all 24 laid totally flat on the hones and I didn't need to go under a Naniwa 5k in getting them all shave ready. For the timeframe, that was... within the last 2 months.

Also, the badge under my name doesn't say anything about my knowledge of, say TI's. I've never seen a new TI in person, so I'm not qualified to say anything about them. And TI's are just one example; there are lots of things I don't know. I only hope that I now know I don't know at least most of what I don't know so I can stop putting my foot in my mouth (though I'm sure I still do at times).

I bought this off ebay ages ago, and it was a great shaver, but the wear on the spine was curious



I believe that it was just badly honed, and IIRC the width of it supported this.

Originally Posted by HarleyFXST

I believe he is just using the wrong terminology. He keeps saying 'grind' or 'ground' when he means 'honed'. We all know that most don't consider a factory edge truly shave ready.

"What we have here.......is a failure to communicate."

but I'm new......what do I know.

You could be on to something here...

Thanks For the information Gugi and others.

One last time, I'm not confusing the terms "hone" and "grind". And I am not saying all Dovo blades are defective. Again, I like Dovo and clearly understand a small fraction of their products may have had defects but it doesn't represent he quality of their products as a whole. I didn't say they did, I asked if those who have had defects had to wear down the razor to correct the issue. If guys want to interpret this as a negative comment about Dovo then whatever, but that was never my intent. I know my english isn't perfect and could be picked apart for days but try to see where I'm coming from. There was the analogy of the car door closing. If I had a new car and the door didn't close would it be a negative comment about the brand to ask those who've had the door closing issue if the door latch had worn down as a result? Talking about a defect doesn't mean I'm saying all their products have defects.
It seems I can't clarify and explain my statements enough, so I'll give up on that.

Appreciate your persistence here........

More times than not the perceived problem with the razor is not the razor but the person who honed it. Most of the pictures I've seen depicting flattening or being called warped is the result of uneven pressure when honing and a significant amount of metal removal. It is never the persons fault however. It is always the fault of the razor or hone. Even the magnified pictures we have seen depicting normal metal removal have been targeted as a problem when they were not.

Let's see where we go next.

Lynn