Thread: H. Herder ???

I was under the impression that the Herder in Clarenbach and Herder was L. Herder's father. Under the Clarenbach and Herder advert Martin provided is fine print. L. Herder And Son, Manufacturers of fine cutlery!



Here's where we discussed this before. Post 96! http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...ow-conn-3.html

Tom - you might well be right. I have found a couple of things that might be of interest, though. Firstly, another trade card:



Notice that although it mentions Wostenholm & Sons and Wade & Butcher as razor makers, it only mentions Joseph Rodgers & Sons as Scissor makers. This leads me to assume that the imported wares were sold under the original makers marks, which in turn leads me to assume that their own wares were sold under their makers mark. We als have mention of razor strops and razor hones - these must have been imported, as they nowhere else mention any skill in that department.

Secondly this:



Which clearly shows a date of 1871 - 1879 for L. Herder & Son. The 'with roots back to 1847' obviously refers to Leopold the father, but it is unclear whether said Leopold is the Leopold in L. Herder & Son.

Thirdly this from the Smithsonian Institute archive:



It is a bit hard to make out, but it says Herder Cutlery Collection, 1847 - 1980 and a few lines after that: "...The Herder family had several cutlery businesses in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: Clarenbach & Herman Herder, 606 Arch Street; L. Herder & Son founded 1871 by Herman's son Leopold, the eldest of two sons...." etc etc.

With regards to Clarenbach & Herder being a different company and having Leopold the father in it, here's an interesting clip from the 1860 Census:



You can see that Chas Clarenbach is listed as one of Leopold (the father) Herder's family members when Herman was just 4 yrs old. To add to the confusion, the original transcriber of the census results has mis-spelled Herder as Hender. Great.

Regards,
Neil

Confusion reigns! Also, an anomaly of the Sansom(?) street address under the advert. Arch St is all we found recorded!

I see your Arch Street and I raise you Race:

Yes, but Club Skates? Wha???????

Another piece of advertisement.


And i know this is completely off topic but its a cool letter from Clarenbach & herder to Abraham Lincoln about a pair of skates sent to his son Tad.

Well apparantly, They made "club skates" as well!

http://www.skatingaheadofthecurve.co...ufactured.html

Now we see the connection of the ice skating scene! It has become apparant to this Texan that Ice skating clubs were all the rage in Philadelphia at the turn of last century, as some seem to be still flourishing. One should have been clean-shaven and donned the perfect apparell and finest of skates and socialize. Must have been fine days! BO was down!

(Check out the "Martin" skates at bottom of page! )

Originally Posted by Martin103

Another piece of advertisement.

And yet another mis-spelling - surely the company would have noticed the mistake if it was the printers fault?!

Regards,
Neil

Originally Posted by Neil Miller

Martin -

I've seen that mark (registered in 1895 - the application for it was made in 1894) but the "Fa" bit before "H. Herder" put me off a bit.

Fa is just short for Firma which means company.

Thank you to all in this thread for so freely sharing some good info. Always a pleasure to read these types of threads.

Bob