Thread: Experimenting with some jointing techniques

Originally Posted by maxpamjohn1

Find that this set of YouTube videos explains the process very well.
This is the part 2 of the pair...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh8GsyWvj-8&sns=em

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Excellent video that does explain many things for me. Thank you for posting. Seems it is another tool in the ole box.

Originally Posted by Euclid440

Yea, we get it.

You don’t like Jointing and you have a different interpretation of Jim Rion’s translation of Iwasaki’s writing.

Does not mean, that it does not work. I don’t like peas, but don’t think that, no-one should eat them…

Alex is a very accomplished honer, Jnat stone expert and dealer. He is constantly pushing the envelope, searching out new methods, reviving old ones, and has posted many, useful YouTube videos and postings.

And as with the post you listed, has nothing to do with the original post, but thank you for your input…

Just this once, try being civil.

I, like you, have the right to post my opinions on this forum. Anyone has the right to disagree. Ideally they should remain respectful while doing so. You have continued to push joining/jointing constantly and, for the most part, I have left it be because you have the right to declare your opinion as often as you wish.

I disagree with the efficacy of joining/jointing. So what?

In case you did not notice, the topic of this post is about joining/jointing and I once again responded to what was posted. I have continued to stay on topic and you continue the personal attacks. Here is a novel idea for you...

For once, if you disagree with me, have the decency to declare why. Rather than criticizing me for my point of view, try figuring out a way to actually come up with a counterargument.

For some reason, you never do that and the reason why is obvious. The ridiculous thing is that you actually agree with me about the fact that Iwasaki was NOT talking about jointing and was in fact describing side honing, yet you continue to propagate is falsehood. Do you remember THIS thread? You wrote the following...

Yes, I too now believe, Side Honing or Vibration technique is what Iwasaki was describing, based on the amount of time described in the process and that there was no mention of re-honing, as one would do after Jointing as Utopian posted in the original thread.

Do you notice that you gave EXACTLY the same reasons that I have continued to use to explain why the common interpretation of that section of Iwasaki's treatise is wrong? Despite this, you have continued to push Iwasaki as the reason why you originally tried this method that you have been pushing for so long. Regardless, some people, including you, believe that there is some benefit to joining/jointing and I have absolutely no problem with that; but that does not mean anyone should be lead to believe that anything Iwasaki wrote is the basis for it.

Who came up with the term 'Jointing' for this, anyway? Curious?

Hello all
It has been some time since I last posted on a thread. For that I apologize.

Regarding this thread .......

I read Iwasaki stuff long ago and have since watched the above mentioned video.
Based on my limited experience I never do jointing when restoring an old/damaged/oxidized edge. By jointing am referring to using a 90 degree angle. The reason is that it creates a flat edge that simply requires more work than is necessary. What I do in that case is to use a 30-45 degree angle with pressure to rapidly remove the nicks/chips/old rotten soft steel. From there I go to the 1000 grit to establish the bevel. It is much less work and has the same effect.

I do not use either the jointing or 30-45 degree angle ever again during honing. What I do use instead are 10-20 back honing (spine leading) strokes followed by 5-10 normal edge leading strokes. Normally this will be beneficial after the 1K & 4K because this is when a wire edge/burr might form. I will also use the back honing stroke as a precaution on the higher grit stones. Sometimes it is beneficial and sometimes not.
So for me, based on my personal experience, jointing is a waste of time, there are better methods.

OH! So 'Jointing' is someone's term for high angle honing? Who knew?

Originally Posted by sharptonn

OH! So 'Jointing' is someone's term for high angle honing? Who knew?

Yup! something new all the time !

I find that the joining is very usefull technique for making the edge perfect I use it mainly on prefinished stage , but lately i find myself , doing it when finishing the blade and refinish it Results are consistent and thruely remarquable

Originally Posted by sharptonn

OH! So 'Jointing' is someone's term for high angle honing? Who knew?

Which is another name for "Breadknifing" and the circle is complete

Originally Posted by sharptonn

Who came up with the term 'Jointing' for this, anyway? Curious?

Someone that wanted to stand out from the crowd no doubt. Just like the multitude of youtube celebs that "come up" with the next "new" thing.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Which is another name for "Breadknifing" and the circle is complete

yep, exactly.

It is the next "big" thing that is not new or big at all. I suppose some folks on the forums just like the sound of their own voices and also lots of attention.
As you can see there is no even consensus what joining is. It is not angle honing, it is a single swipe of the edge across the corner of a stone, stone base, wooden board, hard felt cube, etc. The sole purpose of this is to remove the bur. The need usually arises with restored razors, and sometimes is a useful trick for chippy edges when micro chips form.