Thread: Experimenting with some jointing techniques

Who came up with the term 'Jointing' for this, anyway? Curious?

Hello all
It has been some time since I last posted on a thread. For that I apologize.

Regarding this thread .......

I read Iwasaki stuff long ago and have since watched the above mentioned video.
Based on my limited experience I never do jointing when restoring an old/damaged/oxidized edge. By jointing am referring to using a 90 degree angle. The reason is that it creates a flat edge that simply requires more work than is necessary. What I do in that case is to use a 30-45 degree angle with pressure to rapidly remove the nicks/chips/old rotten soft steel. From there I go to the 1000 grit to establish the bevel. It is much less work and has the same effect.

I do not use either the jointing or 30-45 degree angle ever again during honing. What I do use instead are 10-20 back honing (spine leading) strokes followed by 5-10 normal edge leading strokes. Normally this will be beneficial after the 1K & 4K because this is when a wire edge/burr might form. I will also use the back honing stroke as a precaution on the higher grit stones. Sometimes it is beneficial and sometimes not.
So for me, based on my personal experience, jointing is a waste of time, there are better methods.

OH! So 'Jointing' is someone's term for high angle honing? Who knew?

Originally Posted by sharptonn

OH! So 'Jointing' is someone's term for high angle honing? Who knew?

Yup! something new all the time !

I find that the joining is very usefull technique for making the edge perfect I use it mainly on prefinished stage , but lately i find myself , doing it when finishing the blade and refinish it Results are consistent and thruely remarquable

Originally Posted by sharptonn

OH! So 'Jointing' is someone's term for high angle honing? Who knew?

Which is another name for "Breadknifing" and the circle is complete

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Which is another name for "Breadknifing" and the circle is complete

yep, exactly.

It is the next "big" thing that is not new or big at all. I suppose some folks on the forums just like the sound of their own voices and also lots of attention.
As you can see there is no even consensus what joining is. It is not angle honing, it is a single swipe of the edge across the corner of a stone, stone base, wooden board, hard felt cube, etc. The sole purpose of this is to remove the bur. The need usually arises with restored razors, and sometimes is a useful trick for chippy edges when micro chips form.

Originally Posted by sharptonn

Who came up with the term 'Jointing' for this, anyway? Curious?

Someone that wanted to stand out from the crowd no doubt. Just like the multitude of youtube celebs that "come up" with the next "new" thing.

Originally Posted by sharptonn

Who came up with the term 'Jointing' for this, anyway? Curious?

Actually Tom, woodworkers have used this technique for many years and it is where I first heard the term. Since then I have also seen people use it while honing knives. I only use it as a tool personally but it is in fact a valid technique that many people use across varying disciplines. Like taping a spine, using a secondary bevel, whittling hair or HHT, pastes, synthetic vs natural. All seem to be tools that are there if you want to use them. But again, to answer your question, I think the term far predates SRP using it. IMO

I look at breadboarding as something you do straight up and down BEFORE high-angle honing and finally spine flat.
Alas, extreme measures for extreme circumstances!
Now a light stroke on a glass bottle or the corner of the hone I have always referred to as 'killing' the edge, the bottle being less extreme......

It's all so confusing, this terminology and such, but I usually just call a spade.....A spade!