Thread: ONE COTICULE HONING

Originally Posted by kevint

I imagine Bart had some long discussions with himself before selecting 30 as a compromise between too little and too much to assure a beginner getting results. (Hi Bart)There is no magic number or necessary count of strokes- such info is for the unsure.A starting point you might say.

30 of those b&f laps on both sides, is approximately what it takes to reclaim the arm hair shaving abilities of a not convexed edge that was only slightly deteriorated (but too much for a quick touch-up).

Thanks for the support,
Bart.

Originally Posted by Rajagra

Accuracy is less important at the early stage. (Other than big mistakes that will ruin the edge, obviously.)

Doing one side at a time might even reduce errors for a beginner.

Wrong Accuracy is very important to set bevel.

Originally Posted by Rajagra

Good idea. You could be ruthless in the editing and make it short - a sequence of scenes showing how each stage is done, with annotations. As well as a "Director's Cut" full version?


I think it is only better in that it is faster. Accuracy is less important at the early stage. (Other than big mistakes that will ruin the edge, obviously.)

Doing one side at a time might even reduce errors for a beginner.

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

So what? why not try the method and see what you think first

i have used coticule 1000 times in 100 different razor's i know how they act and what they are capable of to do.

Originally Posted by kevint

Hi Sham, Not speaking for Bart, but i have been wanting to reply.



Primarily, the bevels do not need to be equal, nor is there any way to precisely judge that the true edge is in the exact center of the blade body

i appreciate your input . Bevels set up is first step and very important. if your bevel has not been set right you will have problem to hone that blade right.

Originally Posted by Bart

Best regards,
Bart.

[/QUOTE]Sham, So far you have dismissed my theories about them. , [/QUOTE]

I have not .i have tried experiment about using blue and coticule and result i said it gave some how sharper edge but Blade was not shave ready condition.i tried shave with that blade and it was horrible. never close to any thuringians etc.

[/QUOTE]my unsolicited green dits suggest that some of it also works for others. If you are not prepared to try the things that work for others, then you'll never find out the true brilliance of coticule? [/QUOTE]

This i wasn't expecting "GREEN DOTS"
I AM NOT IN HERE FOR GREEN DOTS BURT.
Please try norton 4/8k then you will see how much better then coticule.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Thanks for the clarification Bart. I too appreciate the coticule for the history and what I call the mystique that it brings with it. For certain razors after the bevel is set with the diamond plate or the Shapton I will go with a coticule (natural BBW/yellow) alone .

To prove my affection for them I have a dozen and have to restrain myself from getting even more. My devotion to them is not as strong as yours however and expediency frequently leads me to other options for that keener edge.

Jimmy, my friend. You have a whole harem of hones to keep happy. Not an easy task I imagine. But I bet the notion of restricting yourself to only one made you a tad nervous, didn't it?

I haven't had a chance to catch up on this entire thread yet, but on the topic of speed honing each razor with this method, has anyone seen Bart set a bevel with his coticule? IIRC I saw a video he posted a while back and my jaw dropped. His honing strokes are literally faster than my stropping strokes (if I'm maintaining good form). He's a machine!! Or maybe I'm just insanely slow and that's how everyone hones.

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

I have not .i have tried experiment about using blue and coticule and result i said it gave some how sharper edge but Blade was not shave ready condition.i tried shave with that blade and it was horrible. never close to any thuringians etc.

This i wasn't expecting "GREEN DOTS"
I AM NOT IN HERE FOR GREEN DOTS BURT.
Please try norton 4/8k then you will see how much better then coticule.

Lighten up, Sham. I was only trying to say that my suggestions for the Coticule have worked for more a few people. They also work for me. I hone razors for others, weekly. I've had one complaint so far, with a no-brand razor that couldn't keep an edge for more than 2 shaves. But I dislike authority arguments, so you don't have to take my word for anything.

I don't have access to a Norton. I do shave exclusively with a straight razor, and I am still as enthusiastic about it as the day I started. That should connect us, rather than separate us, regardless the hones and methods we prefer to use.

Bart.

Originally Posted by Rajagra

Accuracy is less important at the early stage. (Other than big mistakes that will ruin the edge, obviously.)

Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

Wrong Accuracy is very important to set bevel.

Do you use the same amount of pressure throughout your honing session or do you use lighter touches towards the end? It's the same principle.

During the early stages you can use a little pressure even though it bends the blade and creates the bevel at a slightly wrong angle.

As you progress, you lighten up, the blade straightens, and the error is corrected.

Same thing if you start working one side at a time - it creates problems, but they are erased by the work that is done later.

That's what I mean when I say accuracy is less important early on.
("Less important" <> "Unimportant".)

Of course, if you do use constant pressure throughout the session then you are well entitled to make your comment ... and I salute your dedication to doing a perfect job.

Originally Posted by pjrage

I haven't had a chance to catch up on this entire thread yet, but on the topic of speed honing each razor with this method, has anyone seen Bart set a bevel with his coticule? IIRC I saw a video he posted a while back and my jaw dropped. His honing strokes are literally faster than my stropping strokes (if I'm maintaining good form). He's a machine!! Or maybe I'm just insanely slow and that's how everyone hones.

The method that I presented does not rely on fast stroking speed. In the video you saw, I was using the regular X-stroke. In the suggested method, the bevel is set by performing back and forth strokes with a minor pressure. It goes considerably faster, and it can also be performed much faster, without a lot of practice. When the hard work is done, the required regular X-stroke does not demand so many laps that it will take much time.

Bart.