Thread: Life on The Edge, What Is The Same, What Is Different

Originally Posted by Lynn

You guys tell me how this one works out.......

How can you really get consensus on this one.

Should be fun

Thanks,

Lynn

Lynn,
I don't think it will but that is the edge. I am a non concensus scientist that really irritates many of my collegues because on cutting edge issues I don't jump up and down and hop on the wagon with them. If I am doing that here on this forum i.e. becoming irritating, let me know and I will put myself up for rotation to be used later on. I have a feeling is that there are others here that are in line with me and you can correct me if I am wrong. Empirical evidence of the members SRP shaving with an antiquated Straights and DEs have resisted all of those Mach 3, Norelco's latest are not prone to be Sheeple. Just a hunch.
Mike

Originally Posted by Kingfish

Lynn,
I don't think it will but that is the edge. I am a non concensus scientist that really irritates many of my collegues because on cutting edge issues I don't jump up and down and hop on the wagon with them. If I am doing that here on this forum i.e. becoming irritating, let me know and I will put myself up for rotation to be used later on. I have a feeling is that there are others here that are in line with me and you can correct me if I am wrong. Empirical evidence of the members SRP shaving with an antiquated Straights and DEs have resisted all of those Mach 3, Norelco's latest are not prone to be Sheeple. Just a hunch.
Mike

Interesting on the part of the quote you left out. In any case, I don't understand, but am looking forward to all the empirical evidence you can find along with as much scientific data as there may be or that can be developed. I am sure it will all make sense to a lot of people. Please include all the theory, conjecture, hypotheses and dissertations relevant for public interest. We have some very scientific minds in here and as previously indicated, this one should be fun.

Thanks,

Lynn

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

I don't think its as easy as it sounds.

As I recall the main hone producer in the U.S (I don't recall the name, they were located in Iowa) produced most of the hones sold under all kinds of razor manufacturer names and there was one woman there who mixed the ingredients and only she had the recipe and when she died suddenly they were never able to replicate the quality of the hones even though they knew the raw ingredients.

I think those were the frictionite 00 or XX

The Lee book is great. At the time of its publication, Japanese water stones were just beginning to come onto the Western scene. The theory and experiments presented in the book are still a great starting point, and it should be required reading for all sharpeners to the first few chapters and the appendices of the book.

(If enough people- 10 minimum -want to get together for the book, PM me, and I'll do a group buy from the publisher.)

From The Woodwright's Companion1983) "In his Dictionary of Tools, R.A. Salaman relates the story of a Brixton ironmonger who, when he could not convince carpenters of the value of the new artificial oilstones(This was in 1901), would throw one against the wall. As they would not break, he would sometimes make a sale."

Shapton has the gray and white glass bottoms. On White Steel, the gray closely mimics the finish appearance of fine J's, while the white stone cuts A2, VG10 with greater speed/ per HMS. Naniwa Chosera; the latest and greatest nat-mimic/ per adverts.

In some places smiths would match/try to match their metalurgy with the naturally occuring stones. Today, new synthetic hones are needed to keep pace with the next best steel.......

Originally Posted by Lynn

Interesting on the part of the quote you left out. In any case, I don't understand, but am looking forward to all the empirical evidence you can find along with as much scientific data as there may be or that can be developed. I am sure it will all make sense to a lot of people. Please include all the theory, conjecture, hypotheses and dissertations relevant for public interest. We have some very scientific minds in here and as previously indicated, this one should be fun.

Thanks,

Lynn

Yes Lynn, this forum in particular has the Scientific Method on display. They are the "sharpest" group willing to spend the time in the name of promoting what "draws" us here like a full hollow on a piece of fine leather. (I think now I have caught something as my speech patterns have changed) This is the kind of group that has learned probably long ago, if your theory has lot's of pits there not going to pay it lip service and help you put an edge on it. What to H&*&^ is going on. Is this normal?

Originally Posted by jendeindustries

I think those were the frictionite 00 or XX

The Lee book is great. At the time of its publication, Japanese water stones were just beginning to come onto the Western scene. The theory and experiments presented in the book are still a great starting point, and it should be required reading for all sharpeners to the first few chapters and the appendices of the book.

(If enough people- 10 minimum -want to get together for the book, PM me, and I'll do a group buy from the publisher.)

Lee's tome is a great read if you don't already have it. It is one of those books that find it's way to the area not too far from my den where all my deep thoughts come from.

I can't speak for anyone but myself and I don't understand much of the theory you are posting about.

Sort of like when I was an ironworker. In apprentice school we learned what a cantilever was and some of the theory behind shear versus compression but in the end it was climb that column, stick a spud wrench in the hole and a bolt. Cut it loose and move on to the next point.

So I try to follow all of the scientific stuff as far as I can with my amount of education but thankfully so far I haven't needed to understand it to hone razors and get them shave ready. I'm willing to learn though so keep at it. The puns are cool too.

if you have problem with this post Jimmy i am in deep trouble . Sorry tried just cannot get concept of it.

Originally Posted by kevint

From The Woodwright's Companion1983) "In his Dictionary of Tools, R.A. Salaman relates the story of a Brixton ironmonger who, when he could not convince carpenters of the value of the new artificial oilstones(This was in 1901), would throw one against the wall. As they would not break, he would sometimes make a sale."

Shapton has the gray and white glass bottoms. On White Steel, the gray closely mimics the finish appearance of fine J's, while the white stone cuts A2, VG10 with greater speed/ per HMS. Naniwa Chosera; the latest and greatest nat-mimic/ per adverts.

In some places smiths would match/try to match their metalurgy with the naturally occuring stones. Today, new synthetic hones are needed to keep pace with the next best steel.......

Ah Kevin,
And were those artificial oilstones any better because some poor soul of that time felt that if they are shock proof they must be good. Something tells me you are the kind of sharpener that will use an egg if it gave you the results. I like to think I would be too.On the other hand it does point out that the new tech of 1901 was not so easily recieved and paradigmes had to be broken along with lots of hones
Kevin also continus with Metalurgy is spawning the new technogies in sharpening. Now that is huge. Air hardened steels, new alloys and the High speed steels, old hones failing as they load up unable to cast off the gummy swarf. New metals act like a non Newtonian fluid on the hone is this stuff silly putty or steel? That would get new products out in a hurry, so the question is what are they and what can they do for us.
(side note, I wonder how many of them alloys will make it into razors
And i know there is already pleanty of stuff here for me to chew on down at The Forge for later)
Mike

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I can't speak for anyone but myself and I don't understand much of the theory you are posting about.

Sort of like when I was an ironworker. In apprentice school we learned what a cantilever was and some of the theory behind shear versus compression but in the end it was climb that column, stick a spud wrench in the hole and a bolt. Cut it loose and move on to the next point.

So I try to follow all of the scientific stuff as far as I can with my amount of education but thankfully so far I haven't needed to understand it to hone razors and get them shave ready. I'm willing to learn though so keep at it. The puns are cool too.

Jimmy,

Phil, an old friend, also was an ironworker. I asked him once how far he could move a mis-aligned hole. He said that with his sleever and a three pound hammer, he could get about half a diameter. I was impressed.

And now back to shaving , or honing , whatever ...