Thread: Looking for a few Naniwa users !!!!!

I really don't know how to right way quote but what is in the box and different color is my response.
Please accept this as a one persons experiment.
As you may know i don't own Naniwa's. i asked couple day before Glen post this message from Jimmy is that ok if i barrow his Naniwa set and test it.
The reason it will help me learn Naniwa set and in future i could be more helpful to newbies. etc
I have tested set in 2 different ways. i will answer to this questions as Glen asked then i will post regular experience.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

If those of you that tried it could copy and paste these questions into your response it would be great... Remember this is comparing to your past honing on Naniwas...


1. Approximately how many razors had you sharpened on the Naniwas before trying this system =

4 razor's i tried regular way then i used your system

2. How many have you tried so far using the system =

Total of 8 razors

3. Is this easier =

Yes very easy

4. Is this more consistent =

i would say 90%. i has problem with 2 blade which was not the systems mistake. it was different type blade. one was English best silver steel. i honed this blade 6 more hours in different stones haven't got edge what i like from it yet. but i am almost in there. why i mention this to show it has nothing to do your honing system

5. Did you use an actual system before trying this one =

yes i used regular progression on 4 blades

Results are hard to quantify so take this with a large grain of salt...

Sorry i don't understand this question. I thought results were good.

6. Were the results smoother to you face IYHO =

In here i am having a little problem. i would say people don't pay attention my face feeling. My face spoiled. It was acceptable shave.

7. Did the edges feel sharper also =

yes

8. It is (probably) a fact that this system would wear out stones faster, knowing that would you still use it =

No i wouldn't . i called this lazy mensystem. Sorry.
Edit. This is wonderful system if you are honing bunch of blade same time.

9. IYHO would using a system like this help Beginners or Experienced people more =

Help them or teach them? This will help yes teach them no

10. This whole system hinges on the fact that the Honer KNOWS what a set bevel is, do you see any way to improve that ????

Just using Naniwas ? i don't think so you can improve anything else.

Any Comments:






Thanks in advance for your answers...

IYHO = In Your Honest/Humble Opinion

Now i answered these questions i would like to mention what happen my regular honing.
when i start to using them i get amazed how fast they work.
Basically so far this was the best fastest set of hones i have tried.
what i find out is i didn't get any trouble from 1k too 10k level.
Every time i change grits edge did get sharper and smoother.
Next positive was after stone gets dirty i just washed under running water and stone was clean. kinda very easy.
i made on each level 35-40 strokes until 12k
Even i intentionally made more strokes on 10k to see what will happen. edge was great didn't have any chips etc.
Next i moved 12k and after 10-25 strokes i find out edge start to having very tiny chips.
I would say hone your razors until 10k then make 5-10 max on 12 strop and good luck.
Please all above my experience.
i hope this will help someone.
Thank you for a nice easy method of honing Glen.

I had a play with this system yesterday afternoon when I had couple of hours to sit down and do some honing.

Here's my thoughts:

1. Approximately how many razors had you sharpened on the Naniwas before trying this system = Around 30.

2. How many have you tried so far using the system = Three. A DOVO Black Star, a DOVO Bismarck and a W&B Silversteel

3. Is this easier = Its not easier or harder to do the actual honing, but the fact that its a prescribed system to follow will help newer guys out I think.

4. Is this more consistent = Not that I noticed now, I get pretty consistent results from my honing. But this definately would have helped me get consistent results when I first started honing, assuming you can get your bevel set correctly at the start.

5. Did you use an actual system before trying this one = Pretty much. I use a pattern of 40 circles a side and 20 X strokes on the 1k until the bevel is set, then I have a pretty prescribed system after that. I do that same "40 circles/20 X's" on the 3k repeating it two or three times until the bevel has taken a 3k polish, then I do 20 strokes on the 8k, 20 on the 12k and then go to a finisher.

Results are hard to quantify so take this with a large grain of salt...

6. Were the results smoother to you face IYHO = Yes. Using the slurry definately added smoothness to the edge. I really like the 12k Naniwa edge, but it can feel slightly "sticky" for want of a better word. This honing method totally removed that and brought the edge much closer to the feel of a natural stone used with slurry.

7. Did the edges feel sharper also = I'm not sure TBH! It was definately a better shave than using the Naniwas without slurry, thats for sure.

8. It is (probably) a fact that this system would wear out stones faster, knowing that would you still use it = Yes. Certainly if I didnt have any natural stones and I wanted to get the edge feeling more like a slurried natural (which is my favourite feeling edge) then I would use it all the time. As I have some natural stones it would depend on my mood when I started honing!

9. IYHO would using a system like this help Beginners or Experienced people more = I think both. It helps the newer guys get the absolute best out of the Naniwa stones, as well as getting them working with slurries. It helps the more experienced guys who hadnt thought of using these stones like this!

10. This whole system hinges on the fact that the Honer KNOWS what a set bevel is, do you see any way to improve that ???? Not really. Once the bevel is well and truly set its a great system because it lays down in black and white what you need to do to get a great shaving edge. As long as you get the bevel right and follow the system, it'll work!

Overall I think this is a great system. It formulaic which helps the new guys, it definately improves the 12k Naniwa edge over using the stone with just water and its pretty quick once the bevel is set.

Thanks for sharing Glen!

So.... what's the method?

I have a complete set of Naniwa stones and to this point, have only honed a few razors. It seems like so far, the responses have been pretty positive, especially for helping beginners.

I hope more positive responses come in and the "method" will be revealed.

We're actually starting a cult. Glen is going to signal the approach of the MotherShip which will rain Filarmonica's and rare Dubl Duck Grim Reaper razors on all members, who will construct a gigantic altar out of natural stones with synthetics as a capstone, upon which we will burn the hair shaved off of the legs of slavegirls who volunteered to help set the bevels on the razors used in this project. When the mother ship draws near, we all will go to South America and start a colony where in the middle of the night we all wake up and shave after drinking Kool-Aid laced with Scotch...

Originally Posted by LawsonStone

We're actually starting a cult. Glen is going to signal the approach of the MotherShip which will rain Filarmonica's and rare Dubl Duck Grim Reaper razors on all members, who will construct a gigantic altar out of natural stones with synthetics as a capstone, upon which we will burn the hair shaved off of the legs of slavegirls who volunteered to help set the bevels on the razors used in this project. When the mother ship draws near, we all will go to South America and start a colony where in the middle of the night we all wake up and shave after drinking Kool-Aid laced with Scotch...

I was going to say sign me up until I got to the part
where good Scotch was abused.

I am very much against the abuse of puppies and good Scotch.

Originally Posted by LawsonStone

We're actually starting a cult. Glen is going to signal the approach of the MotherShip which will rain Filarmonica's and rare Dubl Duck Grim Reaper razors on all members, who will construct a gigantic altar out of natural stones with synthetics as a capstone, upon which we will burn the hair shaved off of the legs of slavegirls who volunteered to help set the bevels on the razors used in this project. When the mother ship draws near, we all will go to South America and start a colony where in the middle of the night we all wake up and shave after drinking Kool-Aid laced with Scotch...

I like slavegirls

Originally Posted by holli4pirating

So.... what's the method?

My thoughts exactly. Apologies if it's already been published elswhere. Very interesting thread.

OK so we have mostly good responses with this, also it seems to work on the Shapton GS but not including the 30k... This won't work well with a heavy slurry...

Read it closely, it is really very easy...


This is the system:::
Now normally I set bevels on a Norton 1k, I don't care what direction I am going from there forward I have the bevel set before I start...


Here is what I have been doing: From the bevel set (so once you feel your bevel is set, then start the new system)...

On the Naniwa 1k I make a light slurry about 5 figure 8's with a DMT 325... I then do 10 laps using the slurry, then dilute and do 5 laps, then dilute to clear water and do 5 laps... I rarely go over 20 laps unless I feel something or see something I don't like.. But remember your bevel should have been set already (This is why I wanted experienced guys )

Move to the next stone, 3k/5k
And do the exact same routine..
10 laps with light slurry, dilute 5 then dilute to clear water and 5 more...

Same with the 8k and 10k if you use it..

On the 12k we start the same 10 light slurry laps then dilute and 3 laps dilute 3 laps dilute Rinse the stone, use your finger to wipe away the excess water and start doing super light very slow laps, until the stone goes to just damp..should be about 10 laps-20 at the most...

Strop as normal and shave..

I use this system on Hollow grinds only, I don't normally finish with synthetics on 1/4 wedge or heavier blades so I don't know if it works with them...

I have done about 2-3 hundred this way, and I am getting really good feedback from the customers about how smooth they are...So I wanted to see if I am just paying more attention to the hones, or if it is actually the system that is working...
Which is why I wanted your guy's help and input...

I am looking now for the flaws in the system, other than not starting with a set bevel...

Give it a try an post your findings... Please use the Feedback form above in post #37

Thanks..

I'll definitely give this a try. Not owning any nats, I have no experience with slurry. Can you describe how and how much to dilute for the intermediate phase?

Thanks!