Thread: Strike against Syria

Originally Posted by gssixgun

So in your world a man that used a WMD in the past, says he has more, refuses to allow the UN to check, should be believed when he changes the narrative to say he doesn't have it anymore

Actually there were UN investigators talking differently. They were never believed and J Kelly killed himself couple days after hearings. I think we will never hear the final truth or at least they will always be nasty suspicions.

That all is meaningless now. If someone uses CW then he should be punished but only after he is proven guilty. I have no symphaties of mr Al-Assad, to prevent the hell of a lot of innocent victims his game should have been stopped at least one year ago. Today there would be more people alive, and probably in the future less dead troops of our (west) own.

The outcome of this crisis is still clear: Al-Assad will be gone and the great powers take whatever there is to be taken. If by doing so we can prevent humanitarian crisis for getting worse then it even looks good for the public.
I have even less symphaties of mr Putin and i do not even believe it was his idea alone but i guess western and Russian diplomats has spent long hours together before G20 meeting to find out the solution that would benefit all. Nobody really wants a war (at least i hope so).
If you get the same results with less bullets and dead soldiers of our own then i think it's worth considering, if not more.

LMAO are you guys hearing all this


I can't believe this is actually happening with leaders across the world, this sounds more like an SNL skit..

Duck n Cover

How I imagine Glen right now:

I am sooooo saving that pic

The Russian proposal came off the UN table as soon as Omoron asked for a delay on the Congressional use of force vote ...

Double checking to make sure I am watching the news and not the Comedy Channel

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

Leadership. You're talking about a lack of leadership. Isn't this Bush's fault? And just where the HELL is he anyway? What has my so amused is listening to the crickets on the far left as the war drums beat. Where is Danny Glover, Susan Seranden (sp?), Sean Penn, Martin Sheen, the Dixie Chicks, and all the other anti-war-Hollywood-left that made so many bold statements about Bush and this warmongering? The left in this country is not anti-war. They just want to be in control of the wars.

Makes you wish Josiah Bartlet was back in The West Wing...

Speaking of which, with the unveiling of FXX on Comcast, I've been treated to reruns of a late-1990s show that I never heard of (much less, got to see): Sports Night. It's a very-watchable, "cute", 30-minute comedy; best of all, it showcases a heaping helping of actors and actresses who made it big in later, longer, and more long-lived television shows -- Josh Charles (The Good Wife), Felicity Huffman and Brenda Strong (Desperate Houswives), Peter Krause (Six Feet Under), Robert Guillaume (Benson -- "prior-service"), and Joshua Malina (The West Wing), among others.

I apologize for going off onto a siding, but honestly: waging wars world-wide, when 15% of Americans live in poverty is (and this is my opinion, only) more of a horror than Bashar Assad's alleged use of chemical weapons against the citizens of his own country. What makes his having done so any worse than what American companies have done (and continue to do) here in America, and throughout the world?

If you ask me, let Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and the rest do whatever "heavy-lifting" is needed; America (and Americans) need to sit this one out.

Just found this article. Food for thought. The American Spectator : Lyndon McCain Meets Woodrow Obama Just want to make clear this I found interesting in reference to Syria. Make your own assumption and no bad feelings intended and have a peaceful night please.

Originally Posted by Nightblade

Just found this article. Food for thought. The American Spectator : Lyndon McCain Meets Woodrow Obama Just want to make clear this I found interesting in reference to Syria. Make your own assumption and no bad feelings intended and have a peaceful night please.

An interesting read... nourishing words, if for some a bit tough to chew or digest. McCain and Hagel each have a net worth of approx. $11-million; Kerry's net worth is approx. $250-million. Since Vietnam, Life has been good to them. None of them should be making, deciding, or implementing US foreign and/or military policy; let 'em talk to the wall (or drunk vets) at the VFW.

Taken from the NY Times (emphasis mine):

Originally Posted by New York Times

Even in the face of widespread opposition, Mr. Obama made an impassioned case for a retaliatory strike, saying in starkly emotional terms that President Bashar al-Assad’s use of chemical weapons could not be tolerated.

“The images from this massacre are sickening,” Mr. Obama said, “Men, women, and children lying in rows, killed by poison gas, others foaming at mouth, gasping for breath, a father clutching his dead children, imploring them to get up and walk.”

Mr. Obama also framed his case in political terms. He asked those on the right to reconcile their commitment to America’s military might with a failure to act now. And he asked those on the left to reconcile their belief in freedom and dignity “with those images of children writhing in pain and going still on a cold hospital floor.”

“For sometimes,” he said, “resolutions and statements of condemnation are not enough.”

Now, will someone please, oh please, explain to me how this is NOT war mongering?

You have Russia offer to take and destroy the CW's to keep them from being used against innocent people. You have the Syrian government agree. You have the UN Security Council and the rest of the nations agree that this is an acceptable alternative to military force.

And this jackass has the nerve to keep throwing a hissy fit?!?!!?!

I'm not one to just throw this idea around willy-nilly like, but in my opinion, this President should be impeached. Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, concerning impeachment of the President, summed up why I believe so quite well in his book "Commentaries on the Constitution" (again, emphasis mine):

Originally Posted by Justice Joseph Story

Not but that crimes of a strictly legal character fall within the scope of the power; but that it has a more enlarged operation, and reaches, what are aptly termed political offenses, growing out of personal misconduct or gross neglect, or usurpation, or habitual disregard of the public interests, various in their character, and so indefinable in their actual involutions, that it is almost impossible to provide systematically for them by positive law They must be examined upon very broad and comprehensive principles of public policy and duty. They must be judged of by the habits and rules and principles of diplomacy, or departmental operations and arrangements, of parliamentary practice, of executive customs and negotiations of foreign as well as domestic political movements; and in short, by a great variety of circumstances, as well those which aggravate as those which extenuate or justify the offensive acts which do not properly belong to the judicial character in the ordinary administration of justice, and are far removed from the reach of municipal jurisprudence.

Well, let's see here... This temper tantrum concerning Syria is only one of many things I see this President doing which are "aptly termed political offenses, growing out of personal misconduct or gross neglect, or usurpation, or habitual disregard of the public interests". The affordable care act springs to mind. So does the expansion of of the NSA's operations and capabilities, even after campaigning to the contrary. Oh, so do all the executive orders he has issued, effectively tantamount to trying to circumvent Congress and disregarding the laws set forth in the Constitution. I could go on, but I think you get the picture.

This guy does not deserve to be in office any longer, and I dare to say most of his cabinet doesn't either.

Is the timing for this coincidental? There's consequences for being weak and foolish on the world stage. In response to Obama's wavering and political weakness, Putin doubles down.


AFP - Russian President Vladimir Putin will offer to supply Iran S-300 air defence missile systems as well as build a second reactor at the Bushehr nuclear plant, the Kommersant business daily reported Wednesday.

Putin will renew an old offer to supply Iran with five of the sophisticated ground-to-air missile systems at a meeting with Iranian President Hassan Rowhani on Friday, Kommersant said, quoting a souce close to the Kremlin.

Putin is set to meet Rowhani at a summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation held in Kyrgyzstan on Friday.

Russia in 2007 signed a contract to deliver five of the advanced ground-to-air weapons -- which can take out aircraft or guided missiles -- to Iran at a cost of $800 million.

In 2010, then-president Dmitry Medvedev cancelled the contract after coming under strong US and Israeli pressure not to go ahead with the sale of the weapons system, drawing vehement protests from Tehran.


Russia 'to renew offer to supply S-300s to Iran' - FRANCE 24

Originally Posted by Nightblade

Just found this article. Food for thought. The American Spectator : Lyndon McCain Meets Woodrow Obama Just want to make clear this I found interesting in reference to Syria. Make your own assumption and no bad feelings intended and have a peaceful night please.

That has to be one of the best written articles I've read yet... Thanks for posting the link!