Thread: Justice or Robbed of Justice ???

Originally Posted by Wintchase

Really? Human?.... Come on man, what if those were your sisters?

It's impossible for me to put myself in their shoes, but I would hope that these poor women are being shown nothing but unconditional love from their family, and being helped to overcome their ordeal with compassion and care.

My point is that I think we should be able to conduct this kind of discussion in a way that conforms to the ethos of our forum - with civility and respect. I think Glen raised a serious question which deserves serious thought. I am simply voicing my concern that it may be drifting away from that. Feel free to ignore it if you don't agree. I am often wrong.

James.

Back to the OP, I thought cells were to be kept void of material one could use to commit suicide.

Jimbo,just curious,if charles manson comitted suicide,would you feel the same??

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Jimbo,just curious,if charles manson comitted suicide,would you feel the same??

AFAIK Charles Manson never killed anyone. The Tate/LoBianca murders were carried out by his litle clones, but he was miles away when that went down. BTW Bill, hanging by a properly 'executed' (no pun) noose, from a scaffold is quick if done right. From a bed sheet in a cell would probably be less efficient.

James, I have no sympathy for some miscreants. Than again, I'm a firm advocate of capital punishment . YMMV.

Originally Posted by rolodave

Back to the OP, I thought cells were to be kept void of material one could use to commit suicide.

Prisons are a world of their own. Anything, I mean anything, is possible. Anything can be obtained/provided.
We who do not work there or live there, really have no idea of what goes on day to day. I for one, feel it's best left in the hands of the men who work there.

Sorry, if I got the thread off track about being off color with the humor. My bad, I got caught up in the moment & forgot where I was.


The Manson post made me think of this; Charlie has been on & off my TV for 40 years, I change the channel but he finds a way to pop up every year or so. At least this person who hanged himself will not be giving any interviews in the near future.

Originally Posted by Jimbo

Tricky question.

On the one hand, if due legal process has been carried out and legal punishment decreed and implemented in accordance with the law, then I would say yes, justice was carried out to the extent that is permissible under your country's laws.

On the other hand, some people view justice as a moral thing, rather than as a purely legal thing. Clearly what this person did was morally reprehensible, and there is no question of his guilt as he admitted to it. The question then boils down to whether you believe the punishment fit the crime, and by implication how comfortable you are with the idea of death as punishment.

Regardless, if indeed this person was "helped" to his decision, that is indeed a serious matter that should be fully investigated.

James.

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State of Ohio has launched two separate investigations. One for the amount or lack of counseling and the other for the mechanics of using sheets to commit the most selfish act.

As somebody who has put people in prison, albeit usually for espionage or other reasons, I have a pretty good deal of experience with them. Pretty much anything can happen in a prison. Period. Inmates will find a way.

As far as the original topic, was justice served or not, I think so. The guy was a dirt bag. The average cost of taking care of a prisoner in Ohio is something like $70 a day minimum. Had he lived 20 years, and coupled with the average costs associated with healthcare, his incarceration would have been nearly $1 million US dollars. That’s a lot of money that could be spent on animal shelters, camcorders for lesbians, park beautification, planting trees, 4th of July Fireworks or any number of things I can think of more useful than prolonging this SOB’s life. Granted, I am a Soldier and have personally taken 39 lives over my 20 year career but I am glad he “killed” himself. And if the guards happened to “help” this guy along by not watching him close enough or doing it themselves…well I hope they get away with it and sleep soundly in their beds at night knowing they did a good thing.

Originally Posted by Darth

I am glad he “killed” himself. And if the guards happened to “help” this guy along by not watching him close enough or doing it themselves…well I hope they get away with it and sleep soundly in their beds at night knowing they did a good thing.

+1 Contrast with Bind,Torture,Kill ..... also known as 'the BKT killer'. Gruesome murderer of 10 individuals and he is enjoying life at the taxpayers expense, writing poems and seeing the seasons change. I understand the folks who don't feel the state should take a persons life regardless of how heinous the crime, but I don't share their view.

Originally Posted by rolodave

State of Ohio has launched two separate investigations. One for the amount or lack of counseling and the other for the mechanics of using sheets to commit the most selfish act.

Wait, wait, wait, wait... counseling for who? For that piece of garbage? For the monster who, by his own admission, kidnapped, raped and tortured 3 innocent girls/women?

If that is the case, I think the people of the Great State of Ohio should launch an investigation into the misappropriation of tax dollars!

As to Glen's original post, I think that justice at large was served, but not nearly as much as it could or should have been.

I do believe in the value of human life, but in my opinion, once you decide with intent and malice to devalue another's life, be it through actually killing the person or subjecting them to severe and traumatic physical and mental duress, such as rape and imprisonment, I think you have forfeited all rights and value to your own life.