Thread: The Ukraine situation

Originally Posted by ScoutHikerDad

Funny, Earcutter-I was thinking the same thing just yesterday after hearing the President's warnings to Russia. We all remember the "red line" warnings to Syria, and look how that's turned out. As much as I'd like to see Assad dragged out of his palace and dealt with in the streets of Damascus, and as much as I think Putin is a posturing idiot, personally, given the problems we currently have domestically, I don't think we ought to get involved in any military entanglements that don't affect us directly.

I am really torn over this one - I mean something like 60% of the population is Russian. Moreover, it's a breakaway state. Of course Russia has an interest in the place! Maybe more than the west did in say... all those places we had vested interests in.

I am hesitant and leery when people use the word "invade." When Georgia had it's issues - right or wrong - Russia didn't "stay" afterwards.

Power plays and geopolitics aside, I don't know what to think. I just hope some kind of stability is found. Going to be hard me thinks with such a diverse population.

Originally Posted by ScoutHikerDad

Funny, Earcutter-I was thinking the same thing just yesterday after hearing the President's warnings to Russia. We all remember the "red line" warnings to Syria, and look how that's turned out. As much as I'd like to see Assad dragged out of his palace and dealt with in the streets of Damascus, and as much as I think Putin is a posturing idiot, personally, given the problems we currently have domestically, I don't think we ought to get involved in any military entanglements that don't affect us directly.

Exactally,when was it decreed that The U.S has to police the rest of the world,truth be known, as business partners,we need russia more than they need us,Russia has the bulk of the worlds Oil, Mineral deposits, timber.we need to get along.

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Exactally,when was it decreed that The U.S has to police the rest of the world,truth be known, as business partners,we need russia more than they need us,Russia has the bulk of the worlds Oil, Mineral deposits, timber.we need to get along.

You have a friend in Canada... you needn't worry about Russia. The EU does though... and this IS all about the EU and the US's loyalty to it I think.

Originally Posted by earcutter

You have a friend in Canada... you needn't worry about Russia. The EU does though... and this IS all about the EU and the US's loyalty to it I think.

I would truley hate to see the U.S exploit and destroy Canada like we have our own land.
The thing I do not understand is,Ukrainians and Russians are all Russians.I am a uke, I have been to russia twice in the past 30 yrs.
Maybe Obama wants to go out with a real Big BANG,we have no business meddling in other countrys affairs when we cannot come close to getting our own house in order

Interesting to note that the Crimea is an autonomous state within the Ukraine. Sevastopol, Crimea's capital, is the home of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Makes you wonder if after all the sabre rattling and the dust settles whether the Crimea will separate to be in the Russian sphere of influence. If that does happen will that be enough to mollify the Russians? Lets just hope it does not get past the sabre rattling stage and turn into open warfare.

Bob

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

I would truley hate to see the U.S exploit and destroy Canada like we have our own land.
The thing I do not understand is,Ukrainians and Russians are all Russians.I am a uke, I have been to russia twice in the past 30 yrs.
Maybe Obama wants to go out with a real Big BANG,we have no business meddling in other countrys affairs when we cannot come close to getting our own house in order

Well there's a few things you are talking about in that post but I giggle (not at you) the most when you say we have no right to get involved in others issues when we can't keep our house in shape.

When American States were deciding if they needed any civil rights for gay people here at home... Obama was telling Uganda to get it together with respect to their views on homosexuality... all the while, it was the Christian Right in America actually funding the hate in Uganda.

- From Uganda to the U.S. Bible Belt, the proliferation of gay discrimination laws - World - CBC News

Too Funny!!

Originally Posted by BobH

Interesting to note that the Crimea is an autonomous state within the Ukraine. Sevastopol, Crimea's capital, is the home of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Makes you wonder if after all the sabre rattling and the dust settles whether the Crimea will separate to be in the Russian sphere of influence. If that does happen will that be enough to mollify the Russians? Lets just hope it does not get past the sabre rattling stage and turn into open warfare.

Bob

If it turns into open warfare,Russia will destroy Crimea and the Ukraine in about 2 hours.
Russians are not to messed with,unlike the U.S, they will go to war to win.

I think that Putin has far too many bodies buried in the Ukraine and that is what this is really about. If the Ukraine gets out of the old boys club someone is going to discover some very big secrets.

Originally Posted by earcutter

Well there's a few things you are talking about in that post but I giggle (not at you) the most when you say we have no right to get involved in others issues when we can't keep our house in shape.

When American States were deciding if they needed any civil rights for gay people here at home... Obama was telling Uganda to get it together with respect to their views on homosexuality... all the while, it was the Christian Right in America actually funding the hate in Uganda.

- From Uganda to the U.S. Bible Belt, the proliferation of gay discrimination laws - World - CBC News

Too Funny!!

Homosexuality amoungst consenting adults, is none of my business,live and let live,I could care less about gay rights.

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

If it turns into open warfare,Russia will destroy Crimea and the Ukraine in about 2 hours.
Russians are not to messed with,unlike the U.S, they will go to war to win.

That might be so and the reason I hope it does not turn into open conflict. Remember too that they too had their own Vietnam and that was Afghanistan.

Bob