Thread: Ebola

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Seems the two nurses that are infected with Ebola have been discharged from the Hospital,They have been transferd to a ship far out in the gulf of mexico The plot thickens

Where ??? Let me see. Provide a link.......

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Seems the two nurses that are infected with Ebola have been discharged from the Hospital,They have been transferd to a ship far out in the gulf of mexico The plot thickens

Huh ? Are you referring to this ? ........... Texas Ebola hospital worker is now in quarantine on cruise ship | New York Post

What about this ? ........... Ebola ruled out as passenger dies on Nigeria flight to JFK | New York Post

Originally Posted by 32t

Where ??? Let me see. Provide a link.......

No Link,Just saw it on the CBS news,I could be wrong

Originally Posted by BobH

Anyone arriving legally in a country, even through connecting flights and not directly, will have their passport scanned. That should tell you where they have been and when.

Not really, just like US citizens keep going to Cuba despite it being forbidden and their passports are not stamped there, infected people with sufficient power/means can bypass a passport control system.

The only sure way to do it is to have a test with 100% reliability which is administered to every single person without exceptions upon their entry to US. Including diplomats.
But even if such test could be created, the people with sufficient power/means could still bypass its administration.

It really is a political problem.

Originally Posted by BobH

There is no foolproof way to contain it. You just have to minimize risk as much as possible for the cases that do happen. You have to learn from mistakes made in the handling of the cases that do get through and rectify the problems quickly.

Well, there is - put that well funded US military to use on the borders of those infected countries or regions. No fly zone and constant bombing of the borders around any infected regions (no boots on the ground). Or just get out those aging ICBMs and incinerate any region where the virus is detected - will also save money in having to deal with their safety issues while they're kept on US soil. That should work quite well.

On the other end of the spectrum it's very simple again - every american who fears ebola can exercise their 2nd amendment rights and protect themselves from close contact with other human beings and creatures carrying the virus. No government involvement necessary.

Again, the problem is political - different people feel safe with different measures and it's a matter of where the majority falls.

Originally Posted by BobH

Anyone arriving legally in a country, even through connecting flights and not directly, will have their passport scanned. That should tell you where they have been and when. If they have been in the outbreak countries they could immediately be put in 22 day lock down quarantine. If they pass that period symptom free they would be free to enter.
Bob

That's nice in theory, however in practice... my wife has a serious issue with her passport. She has no proof that she legally crossed the border into Europe, even tho she has been a legal resident for close to 10 years. On three separate occasions, nobody stamped her passport when she landed. Each time, the first airport she went through didn't do it because it wasn't the destination airport and she'd remain in the international section of the airport... and the destination airport didn't have strict border control as it was an airport with no direct non-EU flights.

Never underestimate the power of the "not my job" attitude.

Luckily, we moved in Germany from another EU country... otherwise she would have had a lot of "fun" getting the residency card.

Interesting read. Lots of finger pointing and he said she said. First, the cats out of the bag and it needs to be dealt with swiftly. We all know that's not going to happen. I smile because the only way to truly stop it now is to stop all movement of people. No flights, and only local travel in unaffected areas for the next 30 days. Do any of us think that would happen? Here in the US, people would be besides themselves about how it is unconstitutional and they would be right. I know for a fact that some who have posted and want the already infected or exposed people locked up for our safety, would have a huge problem with this if it was them. Is it right for public safety? Probably, but put yourself in their shoes. Were you told what you did was enough, are you uninfected? I believe all these people did their jobs to the best of their abilities and were assured they were safe, why stop your life. Secondly, I think this outbreak was like the terrorist attack in that although we had people and policies in place, it still took us by surprise.
I have very little faith in the US gov. or WHO Both are mired in politics and money and stick to high heaven. What will get this under control is people stepping up to the plate, and doing what needs to be done, just like always. What we need to do is support these people. We need to get them the equipment, training, and medication they need to get this under control.

Originally Posted by MichaelP

That's nice in theory, however in practice... my wife has a serious issue with her passport. She has no proof that she legally crossed the border into Europe, even tho she has been a legal resident for close to 10 years. On three separate occasions, nobody stamped her passport when she landed. Each time, the first airport she went through didn't do it because it wasn't the destination airport and she'd remain in the international section of the airport... and the destination airport didn't have strict border control as it was an airport with no direct non-EU flights.


Never underestimate the power of the "not my job" attitude.

Luckily, we moved in Germany from another EU country... otherwise she would have had a lot of "fun" getting the residency card.

I was not thinking of having a passport stamped at point of entry into a country but having the bar code of your passport scanned at point of entry. I was under the impression passports were now bar coded Help Centre - Frequently Asked Questions - Passport Canada . That would automatically leave an electronic footprint of where you have been and when on subsequent scans. Even that system is flawed because possibly not every country can/does scan passports. Yes, no system is perfect.

Bob

Originally Posted by gugi

Not really, just like US citizens keep going to Cuba despite it being forbidden and their passports are not stamped there, infected people with sufficient power/means can bypass a passport control system.

The only sure way to do it is to have a test with 100% reliability which is administered to every single person without exceptions upon their entry to US. Including diplomats.
But even if such test could be created, the people with sufficient power/means could still bypass its administration.

It really is a political problem.


Well, there is - put that well funded US military to use on the borders of those infected countries or regions. No fly zone and constant bombing of the borders around any infected regions (no boots on the ground). Or just get out those aging ICBMs and incinerate any region where the virus is detected - will also save money in having to deal with their safety issues while they're kept on US soil. That should work quite well.

On the other end of the spectrum it's very simple again - every american who fears ebola can exercise their 2nd amendment rights and protect themselves from close contact with other human beings and creatures carrying the virus. No government involvement necessary.

Again, the problem is political - different people feel safe with different measures and it's a matter of where the majority falls.

Yes, agreed the problem is political and has little to with how comfortable people feel about the precautions taken.

When I said scanned at point of entry, I meant the bar code on a passport being electronically scanned not the border guard scanning the pages of a passport looking for an actual stamped page. I would not be surprised that whenever a passport's bar code is scanned it creates/adds to a history of where and when it was scanned that is displayed at the time of scanning along with your personal data contained in the bar code.

Bob

Her passport is also chipped, therefore there should be a proof of entry... but still, it only works if somebody actually processes the passport at the border.

Originally Posted by DickWhitman

More like 4.5 thousand.

If we don't care what happens in Africa then why have we had troops deployed there for over 6 yrs in like 50 different outposts? It's called Africom.

Because above else we need their minerals and ores. We don't care what happens to the actual people or which warlord is in charge. We're happy enough to supply weapons so they can kill each other. As long as they do their dying in their own countries and the trucks keep moving, it's 12 o' clock and all's well.

EDIT: I guess it would be more correct to say that we do care about what happens to / in Africa, a lot. We just don't care about the Africans.