Thread: President of the US of A

Originally Posted by gugi

I think one of the problems is that a small but significant portion of the Republican party does not want deals - they want to get 100% at any cost.

Not just the Republicans
The extreme 5% or so left or right

They will never be happy

Julius Caesar was an excellent negotiator. Negotiated himself right to the top of Roman government, made himself dictator, and in the process destroyed forever the Roman republic setting the stage for several hundred years of tyranny under emperor after emperor until the entire empire finally fell. So much for great negotiators.

Originally Posted by honedright

Julius Caesar was an excellent negotiator. Negotiated himself right to the top of Roman government, made himself dictator, and in the process destroyed forever the Roman republic setting the stage for several hundred years of tyranny under emperor after emperor until the entire empire finally fell. So much for great negotiators.

Then either vote for Clinton or Kasich and keep the business as usual going or perhaps a protest vote to an third party

Having Ideals is great but sooner or later you have to become practical also and see that there are few real choices


Cruz is a pretty Conservative choice
Trump is a Pragmatist
Sanders is a Socialist

That leaves Clinton near left
Kasich to the near right

and Rubio to the middle Right

The American revolution was not so much a revolution, but as Russel Kirk points out a, "Revolution prevented." The Americans fought more to preserve tradition, than they did to effect any type of change. It was the British monarchy that was trying to change over 100 years of American self-sufficiency which Edmund Burke termed "Salutary Neglect." The Americans just wanted to be left alone, doing what they had done on their own for generations.

Therefore, any candidate who stands for fundamental, constitutional American tradition, which, whether idealistic or not, is what so many Americans have fought and died to defend, that is the candidate I will support.

Also interesting to reflect on the personality, or character of Caesar. He has been described as vainglorious, in other words - full of himself. He is reported to have expressed regret that he had not achieved at an older age what Alexander the Great had at a much younger age. Also noted that Caesar was overly concerned with his personal appearance and very fastidious. He could also be incredibly ruthless. There is a story that he was once kidnapped by pirates. After negotiating his freedom from the pirates, it is said that he returned to the pirates at the head of a small Roman army and crucified each one. He was also an incredibly effective military commander and increased Roman territories from Gaul and into Briton. He was certainly an intelligent, powerful leader who had the ability to negotiate, draw people to him, and get things done. But then of course he used all of his skills and power in the end to meet his own selfish needs, and the rest is history. Point being that it's not enough that a leader have exceptional ability, character is just as, if not more, important.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Then either vote for Clinton or Kasich and keep the business as usual going or perhaps a protest vote to an third party

Having Ideals is great but sooner or later you have to become practical also and see that there are few real choices


Cruz is a pretty Conservative choice
Trump is a Pragmatist
Sanders is a Socialist

That leaves Clinton near left
Kasich to the near right

and Rubio to the middle Right

It's all in the delivery. Clinton had a mouth full of marbles trying to explain the difference between hersel and a socialist. She's just better practiced.

Originally Posted by gugi

I think one of the problems is that a small but significant portion of the Republican party does not want deals - they want to get 100% at any cost.

That's because every time the left takes another step TO the left, they redefine the middle. They have compromised everyone to this point in time. For those of us that are conservative , there is no more room to compromise. Compromise has been accepting liberalism in small doses for too long. The result has only been a liberal society. In that respect, there has been no compromise but for the timeline.

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

The result has only been a liberal society.

I think in many ways this may be true, however I am not convinced it's all because of some leftist machinations. It seems to me that it's primarily the natural evolution of society as people become wealthier and more connected. Which would imply that things are not going back to how they may (or may not) have been 200, or 100, or 50, or 20 years ago.

Originally Posted by Utopian

By the way, does the Donald believe in evolution? I mean, I know it's just a theory and all, but does anyone know his opinion on the matter?

Well if you look at it logically. He must not since he deems himself a God fearing man. If you are religious you subscribe to creationism. What he truly believes who knows. Or should it matter. Religious beliefs should not matter. You can never be right or wrong. Not backed up by any facts. Separation of church and state its in there somewhere.

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

It's all in the delivery. Clinton had a mouth full of marbles trying to explain the difference between hersel and a socialist. She's just better practiced.

Clinton pivoted way left at the beginning of the primaries, she has since taking a considerable lead in the delegate count swung back toward Center..
Sanders did manage to redefine the Nanny State ideal quite a bit but Clinton is still much more centrist...