Thread: President of the US of A

Ya this thread probably ought to be shut down before tempers flare, I might find it offensive to have my politician of choice ridiculed,not to mention, if you really think who is in office makes a difference that's just not sane thinking, as statesmen, I would rather a good business man running our checking account than a someone who just writes bad checks against our future. Tc

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Originally Posted by honedright

You might be thinking of Alexis De Tocqueville, Democracy in America, "Despotism Democratic Nations Have To Fear", Vol. 2, Part IV, Ch. 6:

"Our contemporaries are ceaselessly agitated by two conflicting passions: they feel the need to be directed as well as the desire to remain free. Since they are unable to blot out either of these hostile feelings, they strive to satisfy both of them together. They conceive a single, protective, and all-powerful government but one elected by the citizens. They combine centralization with the sovereignty of the people. That gives them some respite. They derived consolation from being supervised by thinking that they have chosen their supervisors. Every individual tolerates being tied down because he sees that it is not another man nor a class of people holding the end of the chain but society itself. Under this system citizens leave their state of dependence just long enough to choose their masters and then they return to it."

Yup! That's the one! And still true, not just of the US.

Originally Posted by tcrideshd

Ya this thread probably ought to be shut down before tempers flare, I might find it offensive to have my politician of choice ridiculed,not to mention, if you really think who is in office makes a difference that's just not sane thinking, as statesmen, I would rather a good business man running our checking account than a someone who just writes bad checks against our future. Tc

You think the thread should be shut down, but then offer your political opinion. I'm not ridiculing your opinion and neither should anyone else, least of all in a gentlemen's forum. My post, as stated, is from a neutral position. There have been great statesmen on both sides of the divide in the history of US politics. To try and decide who was the best President between Truman and Eisenhower would be nonsense, both men faced different problems at different times. My point about Clinton and Obama being good statesmen has more to do with their sensitivity and knowledge of, and to, other cultures rather than it does to their ability to lead the US to a better future for the US. My question isn't which delegate will make the best President, time will tell us that. What I want to know is, who do Americans think will win? Over here, all we hear about is Trump. Hillary makes the news occasionally, but most of the exposure aimed at the neutral brigade (let's say 80% of Aussies) definitely goes to Trump.

Hey puketui41,,, your Aussie Brothers are shaking their heads right now,,,

Never drink & text,,,,,,,

Originally Posted by puketui41

You think the thread should be shut down, but then offer your political opinion. I'm not ridiculing your opinion and neither should anyone else, least of all in a gentlemen's forum. My post, as stated, is from a neutral position. There have been great statesmen on both sides of the divide in the history of US politics. To try and decide who was the best President between Truman and Eisenhower would be nonsense, both men faced different problems at different times. My point about Clinton and Obama being good statesmen has more to do with their sensitivity and knowledge of, and to, other cultures rather than it does to their ability to lead the US to a better future for the US. My question isn't which delegate will make the best President, time will tell us that. What I want to know is, who do Americans think will win? Over here, all we hear about is Trump. Hillary makes the news occasionally, but most of the exposure aimed at the neutral brigade (let's say 80% of Aussies) definitely goes to Trump.

Trump is probably an excellent business-man. But business-man and states-man are two different professions. So what qualities make for a competent statesman, a good statesman, and who running for US president exemplifies those qualities?

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I think you need to realize the not ONE vote has been cast yet,,, and not one "Political Expert" has called anything during this election cycle right..

Soooooooo

Not a vote as such, but all the newsfeed here is about Trump, good and bad.My question? Is it the same over where you are? Is he winning the social media battle in the same way he seems to be winning it here? You may not like the Kardashians, but in a popularity vote vs Paris Hilton, they'll win everytime, because they have the exposure, who knows which is more worthy? (and who cares???). Is it the same over there, or is it too close to call?

Originally Posted by Hirlau

Hey puketui41,,, your Aussie Brothers are shaking their heads right now,,,

Never drink & text,,,,,,,

Aagh, all the other Aussies are asleep. Stop scaring me with your freakish psychic skills Hirlau You started it. No, wait. It was me. Never drink and eBay, that's where the real expense lies

Originally Posted by puketui41

Not a vote as such, but all the newsfeed here is about Trump, good and bad.My question? Is it the same over where you are? Is he winning the social media battle in the same way he seems to be winning it here? You may not like the Kardashians, but in a popularity vote vs Paris Hilton, they'll win everytime, because they have the exposure, who knows which is more worthy? (and who cares???). Is it the same over there, or is it too close to call?

You may have hit the nail on the head here, as the choice of president seems to have come down to a contest of popularity rather than a care about who is more worthy to hold office.

Originally Posted by puketui41

Aagh, all the other Aussies are asleep. Stop scaring me with your freakish psychic skills Hirlau You started it. No, wait. It was me. Never drink and eBay, that's where the real expense lies

That's true,,, stay off the Bay tonight,,, you'll be buying Trump souvenirs before the sun rises down there,,,,,