Thread: The Pulse Shooting

Maybe I,m a cold calloused bastard, but I,m confused how he was able to shoot all these people by himself, he didn't have a 500 round gun, a lot of our population is laying down and being executed. This wacko should have been taken out shortly after going in, and that's where I think we're doing a bad job of protecting ourselves. When I hear about these things it really makes me think, how many times did he reload? And we're there no security at a club this large? I agree the LEO can't keep up with all of it, don't die n your knees these kind of people have to be shown that we can't be intimidated. Of course he did pick a spot that he was fairly confident that he was in a non gun place. He sure as hell didn't kick down the doors of a police station. Rants over, hope the families get some peace. Tc

Evening News has shown another wacko on the way to a gay get-together. Car full of weapons.
Gotta love the media!
~Richard

Originally Posted by Geezer

Evening News has shown another wacko on the way to a gay get-together. Car full of weapons.
Gotta love the media!
~Richard

The news/communication paradox cuts both ways.We live in a far different world than did our ancestors. Instant news and communication is available to anyone with a cell phone. I believe that, had that animal Omar Matten,believed that the resultant news images of his heinous act would not be instantly flashed around the earth, the likelihood of it even occurring would have been greatly diminished. But we can't push the toothpaste back in the tube can we? On the other hand, the internet could have prevented things such as the battle of New Orleans which took place 2 weeks after the Treaty of Ghent had been signed. But still,such acts sadden and sicken me.

Originally Posted by tcrideshd

Maybe I,m a cold calloused bastard, but I,m confused how he was able to shoot all these people by himself, he didn't have a 500 round gun, a lot of our population is laying down and being executed. This wacko should have been taken out shortly after going in, and that's where I think we're doing a bad job of protecting ourselves. When I hear about these things it really makes me think, how many times did he reload? And we're there no security at a club this large? I agree the LEO can't keep up with all of it, don't die n your knees these kind of people have to be shown that we can't be intimidated. Of course he did pick a spot that he was fairly confident that he was in a non gun place. He sure as hell didn't kick down the doors of a police station. Rants over, hope the families get some peace. Tc

When your sitting at home pondering these things it's an entirely different Universe than being in there among all the confusion and chaos. History has shown time and time again when something like that happens people just panic and freeze and the ability to think disappears. If you are one of the few who could take decisive action in that situation you are really special. Even if you were there and could think and were armed with say a 9mm pistol you would have been totally outgunned.

Sad.. I have read today where the shooter was known to frequent this bar and was a user of several gay apps.

Either he was setting up this action, or was very confused and angry about himself.

Might be more to it than originally thought?

What a world it has become.
Again, sad.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

When your sitting at home pondering these things it's an entirely different Universe than being in there among all the confusion and chaos. History has shown time and time again when something like that happens people just panic and freeze and the ability to think disappears. If you are one of the few who could take decisive action in that situation you are really special. Even if you were there and could think and were armed with say a 9mm pistol you would have been totally outgunned.

I think it has become the responsibility of good citizens, who feel they are able, to get the required training and gain proficiency, then get a concealed permit and pack a firearm. I'd hope I never get in a situation where I find myself having to defend myself or others, but I'd sure rather have the weapon if it ever comes to that. Here are some accounts of instances where people did indeed stop ongoing attacks with their CCW ;

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ass-shootings/

Reality Check: Can Armed Citizens Stop Mass Shootings?

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

When your sitting at home pondering these things it's an entirely different Universe than being in there among all the confusion and chaos. History has shown time and time again when something like that happens people just panic and freeze and the ability to think disappears. If you are one of the few who could take decisive action in that situation you are really special. Even if you were there and could think and were armed with say a 9mm pistol you would have been totally outgunned.

Maybe but I was outgunned before with multiple mission under my belt. I,m still here Nelson, and not any more special than anyone in my outfit., just wasn't going to lie in a hole and let them kill me. So don't judge my reaction. What would you have done? Your a trained officer, my training was even a little more extensive than a police officer, but that aside, what would you do? Lay there and be shot? I think not. Tc

Originally Posted by tcrideshd

Maybe but I was outgunned before with multiple mission under my belt. I,m still here Nelson, and not any more special than anyone in my outfit., just wasn't going to lie in a hole and let them kill me. So don't judge my reaction. What would you have done? Your a trained officer, my training was even a little more extensive than a police officer, but that aside, what would you do? Lay there and be shot? I think not. Tc

Not to mention how, in all likelihood, one bullet stopped him. 9mm hits a lot harder than .223 in a room, I would expect.
No firearms were allowed in this place. I may not carry often, but don't frequent any venues where this is the rule. At times, I expect my brothers to be armed.
Times have changed.

Originally Posted by tcrideshd

Maybe but I was outgunned before with multiple mission under my belt. I,m still here Nelson, and not any more special than anyone in my outfit., just wasn't going to lie in a hole and let them kill me. So don't judge my reaction. What would you have done? Your a trained officer, my training was even a little more extensive than a police officer, but that aside, what would you do? Lay there and be shot? I think not. Tc

In the military you are psyched up when out on patrol or a mission and are primed for action. In a civilian situation that's not the case.

No one, unless they have been in a critical situation knows how they will react and if they think they do they ain't got a clue. When the situation arises you are being tested and that's when you find out for sure.

Everyone says and hopes they would react positively and you know if you are in a situation like that laying down is the worst thing to do. It's movement and distance that will save your life. Most folks, even guys who consider themselves marksmen can't hit the broad side of a barn if the target is moving.

At any rate my point here is for the average human the typical first response is panic and and an inability to move or think or move the wrong way. No different than a herd of animals being chased by a big cat.

My thoughts and sympathies are with the families and survivors.

Lot of interesting points brought up in this thread.
Homophobic, anti- American, personal denial of his own sexuality, Media whore, geez so many choices to blame such a singularly awful atrocity on that gets repeated over and over increasingly as time goes on. I pick all of the above Monty!
Heard one commentator stating there been over 100 of these horrific events during Obama's rule vs some other number under the last administration. Almost like it was an ERA stat for a pitcher, disgusting sensationalism by the media, devalues the individuals with it's inference.
The Japanese ban is an intelligent decision to minimise the sensationalism component for certain, but really impossible to enforce over here I think. Paparatzi style media has been gaining, not losing ground since the loss of Princess Diana years ago IMO. No putting that genie back.

Where I struggle, I just don't get the blind hate to the point of killing and being killed. As some said, if he was in denial of his orientation, I guess his choice to go out in a blaze there makes a twisted 'sense' to prove to himself he wasn't 'queer'.
If it was just terror, well he epitomizes cowardly behaviour choosing a club of unarmed party going civilians and will be provided a special kind of hell in the next life regardless I hope, if there is one.
Seeing some of the self pictures he took, I tend to agree he was counting on the media exposure as he was seemingly into the current selfie generation mentality.
It is all just so horribly tragic and wasteful.