Thread: Nation of California: Secession to be put on future ballot measure for voting?

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

And of course that would decimate the democratic party in the the rest of the US because imagine the next presidential election without all of those electoral votes going the democratic party. The left themselves would never allow that to happen.

Could probably post this in the Donald Trump thread, but depending on what happens if anything with digging into potential voter fraud nationally, the Democratic party may decimate for that reason. Doubt we'd see all U.S. citizens required to have a national picture ID, but could we see a federal law passed: "Federal Election Integrity Act" or some such thing where all states would be required to have their voters show state ID to vote in federal elections? I don't see why that couldn't happen......State or local elections? Do whatever you want. But perhaps voter ID could happen on a federal level for Federal elections. IF that happened IMO it'd be curtains for the Democratic party. But I digress.

Originally Posted by Euclid440

Here in California the issuing of driver’s licenses was an obvious practice of endorsing, if not encouraging, illegal voting by non-citizens.

It would be very interesting to see the results of a real investigation, on just who voted in California, during the last election.

Standing in line to vote, a guy was bragging about how he had just driven up from Mexico to vote, and that he was returning, immediately after voting.

I didn't realize that. Drivers licenses issued to illegal aliens? That throws a wrench in requiring picture ID to vote, doesn't it?

So we detour the wall to encompass the borders of the loyal states adjacent to Kalifornia. Sounds good to me.

This whole thing is interesting to think about. The Nation of California demographics could change so rapidly. The Nation of California would undoubtedly allow unfettered open borders from Mexico and I think they would welcome any and all illegal aliens living in other parts of the U.S. I would certainly think they would also welcome an untold number of refugees from Islamic nations. Tens of millions added to the population of the new nation very quickly.

Another scenario to posit if California seceded: I doubt the new nation would actually search and seize weapons from its citizens, but implementing a weapons ban in the form of voluntary submission I would count on. Penalties for citizens who retain weapons being stiffer than penalties for those committing violent crime with illegal weapons? Who knows?

Someone should make a movie based on these kinds of scenarios. I'd watch it!

Originally Posted by ChrisL

Could probably post this in the Donald Trump thread, but depending on what happens if anything with digging into potential voter fraud nationally, the Democratic party may decimate for that reason. Doubt we'd see all U.S. citizens required to have a national picture ID, but could we see a federal law passed: "Federal Election Integrity Act" or some such thing where all states would be required to have their voters show state ID to vote in federal elections? I don't see why that couldn't happen......State or local elections? Do whatever you want. But perhaps voter ID could happen on a federal level for Federal elections. IF that happened IMO it'd be curtains for the Democratic party. But I digress.

They say that there is no evidence of large scale voter fraud. But then again, is there any audit done to certify that there isn't? Without having a cop on the side of the road, there would be no evidence of speeding violations. And the evidence that does surface is quickly swept under the rug. There's evidence right here.

Hillary Clinton received 800,000 votes from noncitizens, bolsters Trump argument, study finds - Washington Times

Originally Posted by OCDshaver

They say that there is no evidence of large scale voter fraud. But then again, is there any audit done to certify that there isn't? Without having a cop on the side of the road, there would be no evidence of speeding violations. And the evidence that does surface is quickly swept under the rug. There's evidence right here.

Hillary Clinton received 800,000 votes from noncitizens, bolsters Trump argument, study finds - Washington Times

Interesting article. Given that the estimates are extrapolated from polling - Are you an illegal alien? Did you vote? rather than cross checking or auditing voter registries, etc, I'd take the extrapolation's accuracy with a grain of salt.

I'm thinking this voting audit will happen. Trump seems to be the kind of person that won't let something like this go given that the opposition's argument, albeit moot is that he didn't win the popular vote. If he thinks it's possible, which apparently he does, that the popular vote is not legit it's looking like there will be four years to delve deep.

Time will tell.

What’s wrong with a fingerprint ID at the time of voting.

It would be an easy thing, to search a database for status… No dead folks or multiple voting. You could scan absentee ballots.

I think the number are larger that folks think.

My father in law was living in an assisted living facility with over 350 residents, they all were encouraged to vote absentee. What happens to all those ballots when someone passes?

Oh yea, got to do the Voting investigation…

So, they polled folks for the election, as few as 500, and the polls said, Trump would never win the nomination, and Hillary would win by a land slide…

I forget, how many polls were right?

“Based on national polling by a consortium of universities, a report by Mr. Richman said 6.4 percent of the estimated 20 million adult noncitizens in the U.S. voted in November.”

And now this guy says, “He extrapolated that that percentage would have added 834,381 net votes for Mrs. Clinton.”

Very scientific…

There's no way to tell if the number is big or small. But it was said, and widely accepted, that Al Franken won MN senate seat through voter fraud. Project Veritas has done investigative work and captured democratic operatives speaking openly about voter fraud tactics that they admit to employ. Be it a little or a lot, democrats insist that any attempt to verify voters is an attempt to suppress voting itself. The argument is absurd and I feel that even most democratic voters would agree. Whatever the criteria, it would have to prove that you are a citizen, you are alive, your primary residence is in the district, and that you do not have the ability to cast a vote and did not cast a vote anywhere else. The only way to ensure that this is happening is by issuing a voter id of some sort. I personally don't like the idea of a fingerprint because why should I give that to the gov't?

Originally Posted by Euclid440

So, they polled folks for the election, as few as 500, and the polls said, Trump would never win the nomination, and Hillary would win by a land slide…

I forget, how many polls were right?

“Based on national polling by a consortium of universities, a report by Mr. Richman said 6.4 percent of the estimated 20 million adult noncitizens in the U.S. voted in November.”

And now this guy says, “He extrapolated that that percentage would have added 834,381 net votes for Mrs. Clinton.”

Very scientific…

Its hardly an exact science. So there's no point in putting too much stock in his numbers. But the fact is, there is an admission by voters that they cast ballots while they were not citizens. What it really exposes is not the numbers but the fact that there is no way to verify it.