Thread: Nation of California: Secession to be put on future ballot measure for voting?

Originally Posted by ChrisL

I didn't realize that. Drivers licenses issued to illegal aliens? That throws a wrench in requiring picture ID to vote, doesn't it?

The same thing up here in Washington State. Regular WA driver's licenses are no good to get on airplanes or cross Canadian border now because they issue to undocumented illegal aliens. I have an Enhanced WA DL (cost $120) which are good for airplanes and the rest. You've seen Seattle in the news lately and the $15 an hour is having same effect up there.

Headed to Costco tomorrow for lots of

Originally Posted by ChrisL

I didn't realize that. Drivers licenses issued to illegal aliens? That throws a wrench in requiring picture ID to vote, doesn't it?

The problem as I understood it is that in the US, there is no such thing as uniform identity papers. In Belgium, the only thing counting as proof of identity is the national ID that everyone gets when they are 12, and which has to be renewed every 5 years or so. Driving license, library cards, etc don't count. It also lists the nationality. They are very hard to forge. Given that the government issues these automatically to people at the right age, based on birth registrations, identity fraud is very rare here in Belgium. Not saying the professional criminals can't get fake ID, but definitely not illegal aliens.

I had this discussion during previous elections on a different forum, and the conservatives I talked with acknowledged that having a universal ID that is verified by the government would solve many of these problems, but they also said they don't want universal voter ID because 'government'

One guy even raised hell about the idea of Americans being required to verify their identity, while at the same time in a different discussion being angry with the same government for not verifying the identity of illegal aliens...

The universal ID card idea has some bad connotations attached to it, for me, especially if it lists ethnicity and the like.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennkarte

Bob

Originally Posted by BobH

The universal ID card idea has some bad connotations attached to it, for me, especially if it lists ethnicity and the like.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennkarte

Bob

Up here it only lists name, nationality, date of birth, etc. And a digital photo.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Up here it only lists name, nationality, date of birth, etc. And a digital photo.

Yes, understood but it can be used for so much more depending on the way it is done and what it is used for.

Bob

I don't think it could happen. There are still resources as well as military bases in California. Any treaties would be ripped up by government then any Uprising would be chopped up for riots...

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You can go to downtown LA and for $50 buy a very good fake driver’s license made from real California License stock, made while you wait.

There are even websites selling them, no-one is doing anything about it.

Fingerprints, the only way…

How soon until we begin to hear, "Papers please"?

Originally Posted by Euclid440

You can go to downtown LA and for $50 buy a very good fake driver’s license made from real California License stock, made while you wait.

There are even websites selling them, no-one is doing anything about it.

Fingerprints, the only way…

There are plenty of places selling replica police badges and IDs from any state you want and it's all legal as long as the size is slightly smaller or larger. Only federal badges are actually illegal to make up and sell. I think the one exception are Texas Ranger Badges which are illegal to reproduce or have in Texas.

There is what was a forward thinking book released in 1975 by author Ernest Callenbach. The setting is in 1999 with Northern California, Oregon and Washington state now a country named "Ecotopia" and the title of the book.

Utopian fiction would best summarize the book.
Callenbach was greatly influenced by the counterculture events of the 70's taking place in California.

It is great read imho, and provides a different look at the secession scenarios discussed in this thread.

Personally I think Idaho would be a great addition to Ecotopia.