Thread: Transgender Weightlifter Killing it

Using the rules to your own advantage doesn't always make it right if there is financial gain, or fame involved.
Performance enhancing drugs have been long banned, this seems to be the rules reversed.
I agree, it borders on insanity. The point you are missing, this is the extremes that some will go to win.
A failed male weight lifter at age 34 decides to switch gender?
At best this human is a narcissist.


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Originally Posted by Grazor

Using the rules to your own advantage doesn't always make it right if there is financial gain, or fame involved.
Performance enhancing drugs have been long banned, this seems to be the rules reversed.
I agree, it borders on insanity. The point you are missing, this is the extremes that some will go to win.
A failed male weight lifter at age 34 decides to switch gender?
At best this human is a narcissist.


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That's why competition rules are heading towards measuring/taking into account testosterone levels.

And the reasons for this particular person to officially change gender can only be speculation at best.

There are people who officially change gender well into their fifties, like a Lutheran priest did in Finland - resulting in lots of flack and natiowide discussion. The Lutheran church allows for female priests, by the way. But that is a completely different discussion.

My point is that this is a discussion that needs to be had, and just posing 'But male genetics, man' to 'But legally they are women now, man' is not much of a discussion; it's a stalemate. And that will get the issue nowhere closer to being resolved into a workable solution.

Cases like this fuel these discussions and development, brushing them aside is not a viable option. Like I said, transgenderism is real and needs to be given a place in society. Man, woman or inbetween, they're still people.

And how is Laurel Hubbard a narcissist at best?

Best regards,

Pieter

Unfortunately people have gone to extreme lengths for that win. And this fella is just doing the same. Its just the way is and always has been.
Synthetic testosterone has been used in sports since the 30s, but theres no denying its use in medicine has helped millions worldwide. During the 40s and 50s the USSR were cleaning up at the Olympics then a US team dr along with a pharmaceutical company invented Methandrostenolone, it combined with testosterone reversed the tables. And so it goes on.
Lance Armstrong was 7 x Tour de France winner. He got stripped of his titles but everyone was juicing or blood doping even the event organisers knew every one was doping, as a side note Lance Armstrongs charity foundation has made hundreds of millions and helped millions of men with cancer.
Hopefully something good will come from this....

This TG weightlifter held the record in NZ as a man in a lighter male category for some time, record was beaten by another man and Hubbard retired.
He then became NZs Weight lifting Executive officer, ie rule maker, for some time. He then made the switch to woman and returned to competition and became the current female record holder.
Without wanting to delve deeper into the persons life, my opinion of this being an example of narcissistic, or me-centric behavior is simply the above.
Guy was a champion, liked it, got beaten, didn't like it, retired and became intimate with the rules of the sport, had the means to switch his chemical or hormonal make up to compete against those he could beat, did so, and won once more.

All very much came across, to me, as someone thinking of themselves before the existing established mass standard. How to use the rules to their own personal advantage. That's very me-first thinking, again, solely in my opinion.

Further, my statement earlier about this being a trend is based on my own observations over the last 50 years on this planet.
There were three established 'categories' of sexual orientation until the last decade or so.
They were gay, being attracted to the same sex. Bisexual, attracted to both. And straight, which was attraction to the opposite sex. That's it. Three choices, or really two with a large gray area in between really.
Now, it's LGBTQIA, which is a much larger acronym to ensure no one orientation is excluded from the inclusive desire that everyone's personal identity is equally valid. Don't offend any one group and all that PC nonsense.
That's incredibly self centric, and overly complicated. Again, to me. It's like "no, I'm not just gay, I'm more specific than that I'm,,,,(blank),,", very me me me.
Instead of fitting into existing natural, simple co existing relations, I am going to force my specific opinion about what I am on everyone and damn you if you are uncomfortable or unaccepting.."you are the problem being uncomfortable, not me for making you feel that way."
Anyway, the above is all just my own personal thoughts, usely kept to myself on the topic.
I still maintain this is an interesting thread and appreciate reading everyone's opinions as long as decorum is maintained. I respect everyone's opinions, even if I do not agree with them. Opinions are not laws, but enough of them, in unison do sway laws..
Cheers men. Looks like a nice weekend up here. Time for some yard work..

Glad I'm in the right place. So sick of some forums political correctness and having to tippy-toe around just in case you say something that hurts someones feelings.

I hate people who live in a democracy and don't want to be offended by what others say.

Originally Posted by IrishShaver

Glad I'm in the right place. So sick of some forums political correctness and having to tippy-toe around just in case you say something that hurts someones feelings.

The rules of the forum are clearly labeled that this is a Gentleman's Forum and members are expected to act accordingly.

In Short, there is a Point of Diminishing Return on what can be said.

Personally I try very hard to keep my posts a bit on the 'tender' side so as to not offend anyone but at the same time offer my point of view.

If I find that I can't do accomplish that, I just observe from the sidelines.

Originally Posted by Pithor

Oh, and if all threads would be closed as soon as they would have run their course on this forum, there would be very few threads running beyond two pages. Just sayin'.

And I hate that expression (your last sentence) so much that I think its use should justify the closing of any thread, as well as the temporary banning of the person who "just said" it.

Originally Posted by IrishShaver

Glad I'm in the right place. So sick of some forums political correctness and having to tippy-toe around just in case you say something that hurts someones feelings.

I hate people who live in a democracy and don't want to be offended by what others say.

I can't think of any forum that is run as a democracy. Each have their rules that govern the conduct of it's members; for the betterment of the membership(the forum) as a whole.

Originally Posted by Hirlau

I can't think of any forum that is run as a democracy. Each have their rules that govern the conduct of it's members; for the betterment of the membership(the forum) as a whole.

I just meant the countries we live in are democratic and hoped those people would be a bit more thick skinned.

Originally Posted by Pithor

And how is Laurel Hubbard a narcissist at best?

Call it a gut feeling, but a little more research...

Wealthy New Zealander Gavin Hubbard, now calling himself “Laurel”, bumped two women from their Olympic weightlifting qualifying slots after he decided to compete in the women’s category. Hubbard is the son of cereal magnate and former Auckland mayor Dick Hubbard, best known for his position against allowing gay people to marry or raise their own biological children.
Gavin “Laurel” Hubbard, 39, was a one-time nationally ranked weightlifter in his twenties but he failed to make his mark competing against other males. He remained active in the sport, funding various events and serving as the Executive Officer of OWNZ (Olympic Weightlifting New Zealand) until his position was eliminated last year.

Hubbard responded to the loss of his authority by funding a new state-of-the-art weightlifting facility to host and sponsor the OWNZ competition itself.
OWNZ then authorised the women’s competition that Hubbard won on Sunday March 19 at the Australasian Championships in Melbourne.
OWNZ cited IOC guidelines for transgenderism, which allow any male who can prove his testosterone levels are 10 nmol/L or below for one year duration to compete in the women’s division. Any female can compete in the male category if she qualifies regardless of her hormone levels. No female athlete has ever qualified to compete against males under IOC guidelines. Female athletes that outperform males in male events (example: high jump skiing) have not been allowed to compete.
When it became known that Hubbard intended to destroy the ranking of female New Zealand Olympian Tracey Lambrechs [Rio 2016) by competing as a male in the women’s 90k+ category, Ms. Lambrechs immediately set her sites on competing against other women by the only means left available to her: qualifying for another weight category away from men.
This involved rapidly losing 38 pounds in order to compete in the nearest woman-only class.

“It was a big shock,” Lambrechs told Radio Sport [on March 4]. “At first I was quite angry and then confused and upset.

“I was taken aback when it first happened but I have no control over anything around me, so I’ve really just been focusing on myself and whatever happens happens.”

She said OWNZ had advised it would only select one competitor per weight division for the world championships.
The female Olympian somehow managed to shed the weight in time but under performed on Sunday as a result. “Obviously losing all that weight my body shape has changed and so my technique is a little bit clumsy at the moment”, Lambrechs had stated back on March 4. She came in second place after the rapid weight loss regimen, losing her qualifying ranking.

The new first place champion of the Australasian heavyweight women’s division, Samoan Luniara Sipaia, was also stripped of her title and ranking.
OWNZ sponsor and former Executive Officer, Laurel Hubbard, will take her place as women’s heavyweight champion...

So you can see there that Laurel Hubbard, OWNZ "sponsor" and former Executive Officer, has destroyed the chances of at least 2 female competitors of qualifying for the Olympics and undermined many other female athletes with no doubt more to come. It is obviously for personal gain, define Narcissist...