Thread: Mans Intelligence

Originally Posted by jaegerhund

There's no substitute for true freedom ---I'd rather live in hell and be free than in an utopia and be regulated -----(just leave this long-haired country boy alone )

Justin

You and me both!!

Originally Posted by jaegerhund

There's no substitute for true freedom ---I'd rather live in hell and be free than in a utopia and be regulated -----(just leave this long-haired country boy alone )

I'd rather live somewhere in between, where there are regulations to make sure that everybody has a minimum standard of living, but everybody has the right to improve that standard.
But then you'd expect me to say something like that

Originally Posted by jaegerhund

Edit: Alright X, is it "a utopia" or "an utopia" ?

It's 'a' because the u in utopia is pronounced 'you'.

Originally Posted by Bruno

I'd rather live somewhere in between, where there are regulations to make sure that everybody has a minimum standard of living, but everybody has the right to improve that standard.
But then you'd expect me to say something like that

That's not unreasonable, and most people (all) live somewhere in the middle. Just as long as you keep the "everybody has the right to improve that standard" part -- don't penalize people for wanting to seperate from the crowd. I just don't like the one size fits all , what's best for the collective mentality. I want to be a human (for better or worse) --- not a bee living only for the greater good of the hive --- maybe I'm not as evolved or something --- so be it--- I'll live and die as an American caveman happily .

Justin

Originally Posted by jaegerhund

That's not unreasonable, and most people (all) live somewhere in the middle. Just as long as you keep the "everybody has the right to improve that standard" part -- don't penalize people for wanting to seperate from the crowd. I just don't like the one size fits all , what's best for the collective mentality. I want to be a human (for better or worse) --- not a bee living only for the greater good of the hive --- maybe I'm not as evolved or something --- so be it--- I'll live and die an American caveman happily .

Justin

That sixth toe gives you away every time Justin!

Originally Posted by JMS

That sixth toe gives you away every time Justin!

Yeah -- and the bad spelling (x is my personal caveman alarm).

But, seriously, I know that most societies live somewhere in the middle ---but even the idea of living in some comfortable/regulated middle just makes my gonads shrink --I quess I like extremes and all the dangers and sheer fun that comes from it ---can't see how a human being could think otherwise -- that's just me.

Justin

Originally Posted by jaegerhund

Edit: Alright X, is it "a utopia" or "an utopia" ?

Either. It depends on where you live. If you pronounce it as yoo-TOE-pee-uh with a pronounced 'y' sound at the beginning like most of us North Americans, the indefinite article 'a' seems best. If, like many Brits, that vowel is softened to express oo-TOE-pee-ah 'an' seems better. The one that feels most unnatural to me is putting 'an' before and 'h' word like 'historical'. I just can't drop that 'h' sound sufficiently in my own mind to make it click.

X

Originally Posted by xman

Either. It depends on where you live. If you pronounce it as yoo-TOE-pee-uh with a pronounced 'y' sound at the beginning like most of us North Americans, the indefinite article 'a' seems best. If, like many Brits, that vowel is softened to express oo-TOE-pee-ah 'an' seems better. The one that feels most unnatural to me is putting 'an' before and 'h' word like 'historical'. I just can't drop that 'h' sound sufficiently in my own mind to make it click.

X

Thank you and Bruno also.

Justin

I was having a hard time expressing exactly what I wanted to say in this thread, so I PMed Lou and Justin. Lou gave me permission to post his response but I haven't talked to Justin yet so he'll have to tell you what he said if he wishes to!
Anyways I hope this makes sense to you guys!?
Originally Posted by JMS
Man, this thread eats me up! I am not sure a single person got what I was trying to say except maybe you!
There is something intangible that I can't seem to get across to my fellow man!
Each man is self absorbed until he matures, then he becomes thoughtful and self policing! I believe all governments. with the exception of the most minimalistic government, by their very nature stand in the way of this process. It doesn't serve the purpose of government to have self regulated individuals because then they would have little if any power. Man has a dual nature. government and other self serving individuals wish to bring out the lesser more selfish nature. I was trying to point out that we all have a greater or higher nature from which we all should strive to operate from!!

I hope I didn't bend your ear to badly?

Mark
Mark-
You can bend my ear anytime! You ought to post exactly what you wrote above - it certainly clarifies your point!

I agree with your basic premise, i.e. we should all strive to operate from a higher nature, but sad but true, most governmental regulations, in much the same way as television programming, are geared toward a sixth grade education.

It kinda leaves us seventh-graders out of the loop!

-whatever

-Lou

Originally Posted by jaegerhund

x is my personal caveman alarm

I love those Geico commercials.



(I'm betting that wasn't the post that folks were expecting me to make.)

the way you explain it here makes more sense because I didn't get what you were trying to say.
I think I understand better now, but this is where we should learn from history.

If you don't mind I will write up my thoughts tomorrow. It's already 11 PM and writing up a thought-out answer would carry me past midnight and I have little enough sleep these days