Thread: Measles

Lots of noise has been made this year about the come back measles is making around the world. The latest news out of Samoa should give anyone pause who has doubts about the benefits of the MMR vaccine. Sadly, most of the deaths could likely have been avoided had the Samoan population had a high enough vaccination rate. I am beginning to really dislike the anti vaccination movement.

Bob

As someone with small children, the anti-vaxxers terrify me!

Well two things that never get old is dark humour and unvaccinated children.
The historic data show that the numbers of lives saved by vaccines is very high. I’m sorry the children don’t get to choose. Anti vaccine people have not witnessed the sweeping devastation caused by outbreak, and cannot fathom the choice.

I just saw the report about Samoa, it really set me back in my chair, all I kept saying was WHY ???

But I see posts on FB from people that firmly believe that ALL vaccines are dangerous, it simply makes no sense to me

What I really don't understand is the belief that the Government is forcing vaccines on children, I keep asking the same question "Where is that law written" and get vague answers


Crazy stuff

I am one of those who remembers iron lungs, deaths from various other diseases and deaths from their aftereffects. A few of my classmates did not finish the school year, and Memorials in classrooms were not uncommon.
~geezer

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I just saw the report about Samoa, it really set me back in my chair, all I kept saying was WHY ???

But I see posts on FB from people that firmly believe that ALL vaccines are dangerous, it simply makes no sense to me

What I really don't understand is the belief that the Government is forcing vaccines on children, I keep asking the same question "Where is that law written" and get vague answers


Crazy stuff

Here in California, there's a state law that requires that children be
vaccinated for a range of diseases, or they won't be admitted to public
school. There's an "opt out" clause, but it only applies for K-6. I guess
you could call that "forcing" a kid to be vaccinated, but IMHO it's stupid
and dangerous not to vaccinate your kids, law or no law.

Originally Posted by Geezer

I am one of those who remembers iron lungs, deaths from various other diseases and deaths from their aftereffects. A few of my classmates did not finish the school year, and Memorials in classrooms were not uncommon.
~geezer

When I was in grade school, up until about the 3rd grade, there was no polio
vaccine. I can tell you that we were all scared to death of getting polio. Then
the field trials of the Salk vaccine began.

The program was called Polio Pioneers. Half of the school kids were given the
Salk vaccine, and half were given a placebo. Unfortunately, our school got
the placebo, and my next door neighbor got polio. He spent the rest of his
life walking with a gimp and without the use of his left arm.

My kids were born in Tonga, and the only vaccine required was for smallpox.
We brought them to the States, and they got the whole spectrum. Tonga
(which is near Samoa) now is struggling with over 400 reported cases of
measles, and at long last is getting serious about mandatory inoculations.
Long time too much stupid. Better late than ever.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I just saw the report about Samoa, it really set me back in my chair, all I kept saying was WHY ???

But I see posts on FB from people that firmly believe that ALL vaccines are dangerous, it simply makes no sense to me

What I really don't understand is the belief that the Government is forcing vaccines on children, I keep asking the same question "Where is that law written" and get vague answers

Crazy stuff, isn't it? Article I of the Constitution and all that.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Crazy stuff

Totally. Especially given the fact that you're basically Greek. There is Russian disinformation and the measles surge in Greece. And the US government's appropriate reaction.

Originally Posted by RezDog

Well two things that never get old is dark humour and unvaccinated children.
The historic data show that the numbers of lives saved by vaccines is very high. I’m sorry the children don’t get to choose. Anti vaccine people have not witnessed the sweeping devastation caused by outbreak, and cannot fathom the choice.

Not having witnessed first hand the devastation caused by disease outbreaks cuts no mustard with me as an excuse not to get vaccinated. That is unless you are an animal who can't read history. It is all there in black and white for all to see. I also don't believe it should be a choice to get vaccinated as a child. There should be penalties if a non vaccinated person causes an infection in an another person. Just like there is for impaired driving, which if caught you pay a penalty for endangering the rest of the herd by your actions.

Bob

Well i can see that my view won't be popular but i'll give it anyway. I can't say that all vaccines should be avoided, but one should at least question the logic that makes a 12 hour old baby get a hepatitis b shot. Unless it's parents test positive it is very unlikely that is is going to have sex or play with dirty needles. In order to make most of these vaccines work they must include something like aluminum (a known nerve toxin) forms of mercury or formaldehyde.
The pharmaceutical company's are also protected by the federal government against law suites(see the 1986 act) and there is also a vaccine injury compensation program set up by the federal government to compensate people injured by vaccines (they have awarded several billion dollars so far)
The rate of autism has risen from 1 in 2000 in the 80s to 1 in 150 currently.
I personally know a man who's grand daughter was developing normally and even speaking until a round of vaccines and is now severaly autistic.

can you imagine the outrage and the law suites (oh wait, they can't be sued) if they were the cause? Wouldn't they have every reason in the world to cover it up?

Originally Posted by tintin

Well i can see that my view won't be popular but i'll give it anyway. I can't say that all vaccines should be avoided, but one should at least question the logic that makes a 12 hour old baby get a hepatitis b shot. Unless it's parents test positive it is very unlikely that is is going to have sex or play with dirty needles. In order to make most of these vaccines work they must include something like aluminum (a known nerve toxin) forms of mercury or formaldehyde.
The pharmaceutical company's are also protected by the federal government against law suites(see the 1986 act) and there is also a vaccine injury compensation program set up by the federal government to compensate people injured by vaccines (they have awarded several billion dollars so far)
The rate of autism has risen from 1 in 2000 in the 80s to 1 in 150 currently.
I personally know a man who's grand daughter was developing normally and even speaking until a round of vaccines and is now severaly autistic.

can you imagine the outrage and the law suites (oh wait, they can't be sued) if they were the cause? Wouldn't they have every reason in the world to cover it up?

Vaccines do not cause autism. That study was fake and the person who published it lost his medical license.
No there is no some wide spread conspiracy to hide the side effects of vaccines, there are side effects and it's part of the risk of getting vaccinated. Vaccines save lives and I am thankful that we have them.
Our immune system is very complicated and sometimes viruses and bacteria have parts that look similar to our own cells and it can confuse the immune system. For example a simple cold can trigger a reaction where our own immune system attacks the sheaths of peripheral nerves causing Guillain Barre Syndrome.