Thread: The Ukraine Situation

Originally Posted by sharptonn

I usually use these discussions for amusement, Spendur. This last Gem really made me laugh.

Common knowledge that the Trump family has more than enough 'enrichment' through their business dealings. They don't run through their money and use it wisely.
Some cry and moan about their methods, etc but it always comes from those who have no business experience whatsoever.
Jealousy is real.
Despite the many haters, Donald Trump is a good, tough, Patriot who cares about this country. Has no need to line his and his family's pockets.

Now our previous Potus MUST be who you are thinking of?
Your description above describes him and his family precisely. More comes out daily. Fact.

Agreed.

That was just childish. Jealousy is an ugly, ugly thing. Gotta let it go man. All that hatred is bad for the constitution.

Originally Posted by PaulFLUS

Agreed.

That was just childish. Jealousy is an ugly, ugly thing. Gotta let it go man. All that hatred is bad for the constitution.

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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Great Caesar's ghost man, you just showed little you know about Trump and the entire Trump family. You really drank the cool aid. All the history is out there written a long time ago if you care to educate yourself.

His entire family has never given a rats as* about anyone other than themselves. Fearless leader has had to of been bailed out by his family innumerable times. A string of failed businesses and bankruptcy. I will give him credit for having an army of attorneys who make sure he leaves financial wreckage behind but he walks away with his pockets full. No bank in the U.S will loan his organization a dime. Why? (Blatant LIE !!!) How has his net worth soared since he became president? Luck maybe?

Speaking of Educating oneself

"By 2025, The Trump Organization is known to oversee more than 500 business entities, many of which operate under the Trump brand. These include subsidiaries in real estate development, property management, hospitality, golf courses, commercial leasing, and merchandising."

String of Bankruptcies ??? YOUR words

6, SIX, 1/2 Dozen !!!


Here read and learn
COMPLETE LIST OF PRESIDENT TRUMP’S 6 BUSINESS BANKRUPTCIES:

1. Trump's Taj Mahal Bankruptcy in 1991 was the first of his Chapter 11 filings. The Taj Mahal (which is now The Hard Rock Hotel and Casino ) is located in Atlantic City and cost Trump $675 million in junk bonds at a 14% interest rate for the finalization of construction. Within a year, the casino owed 3 billion and Trump personally was liable for $900 million, forcing him to negotiate a deal with his lenders in order to keep the business alive. To lower his own interest rate and receive more time to repay his loans Trump sold his 220-foot yacht and his Trump Shuttle Airline and agreed to a bank-set limit on his spending. As for the company’s debt, Trump surrendered 50% his ownership and equity in the casino to the bondholders in exchange for lower interest rates and more time.

2. Trump Plaza in 1992 was another casino-hotel owned by Donald Trump. This casino was also located in Atlantic City and begun struggling to keep its business after the opening of the Taj Mahal. It was $550 million in debt. The bankruptcy terms were negotiated by Trump in 1992 by “debt restructuring” with the creditors of the plaza where $250 million of the debt was exchanged with $200 million of bonds to get a lower interest rate with an additional $100 million of preferred stocks. Trump also lost 50% ownership.

3. Trump Castle in 1992 was the third casino-hotel owned by Trump and going bankrupt in the same year as Trump Plaza. All three casinos in Atlantic City were competing against each other and all going bankrupt. A deal was struck with the bondholders giving them 50% of ownership in exchange for reduced interest rates and elimination of $25 million of the debt. The total debt before the deal for the Castle was $338 million. The Trump Castle is now known as the Golden Nugget.

4. Trump Plaza Hotel in Manhattan overlooking Central Park was the third Chapter 11 bankruptcy filed by Trump in the year 1992. This renowned New York hotel was $550 million in debt when Trump attempted to sell off several parts of it as condominiums but was unsuccessful. Instead, the banks took over 49% of the estate and forgave $250 million of the debt along with a reduced interest rate.

5. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts was an entity that Donald Trump had combined the Taj Mahal, Trump Plaza, and Trump Castle under in 1995. However in 2004, the company once again filed for bankruptcy as it was $1.8 billion in debt. Trump’s ownership of the company and casinos was reduced from 47% to 27%.

6. Trump Entertainment Resorts (TER) was what became of the Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts after the 2004 bankruptcy. TER went bankrupt as well in 2009 after being in debt $1.2 billion. After arguments over restructuring, Trump again lost ownership down to 10% and resigned as chairman of the board. Later he sued TER stating that the company was no longer representing his name at the highest level as he would have. This lawsuit became the last straw and caused TER to go bankrupt again and close its doors for good.

Overall, the Trump Organization is involved with 515 subsidiaries and entities, of which 264 of them have Trumps name, and 54 have his initials. Of these businesses, the above-listed 6 have filed for bankruptcy, all under Chapter 11 “reorganization.”

Soooooo How dumb do you feel now confronted with the FACTS ???
I mean you just don't care what you spread do you ??
This is TDS and you have it bad

PS: That is about 1% in case the math is hard,
PPS: I suggest you do a simple search on Mark Cuban and count his failures over the years too, but you don't care, because ??? TDS

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Speaking of Educating oneself

"By 2025, The Trump Organization is known to oversee more than 500 business entities, many of which operate under the Trump brand. These include subsidiaries in real estate development, property management, hospitality, golf courses, commercial leasing, and merchandising."

String of Bankruptcies ??? YOUR words

6, SIX, 1/2 Dozen !!!


Here read and learn
COMPLETE LIST OF PRESIDENT TRUMP’S 6 BUSINESS BANKRUPTCIES:

1. Trump's Taj Mahal Bankruptcy in 1991 was the first of his Chapter 11 filings. The Taj Mahal (which is now The Hard Rock Hotel and Casino ) is located in Atlantic City and cost Trump $675 million in junk bonds at a 14% interest rate for the finalization of construction. Within a year, the casino owed 3 billion and Trump personally was liable for $900 million, forcing him to negotiate a deal with his lenders in order to keep the business alive. To lower his own interest rate and receive more time to repay his loans Trump sold his 220-foot yacht and his Trump Shuttle Airline and agreed to a bank-set limit on his spending. As for the company’s debt, Trump surrendered 50% his ownership and equity in the casino to the bondholders in exchange for lower interest rates and more time.

2. Trump Plaza in 1992 was another casino-hotel owned by Donald Trump. This casino was also located in Atlantic City and begun struggling to keep its business after the opening of the Taj Mahal. It was $550 million in debt. The bankruptcy terms were negotiated by Trump in 1992 by “debt restructuring” with the creditors of the plaza where $250 million of the debt was exchanged with $200 million of bonds to get a lower interest rate with an additional $100 million of preferred stocks. Trump also lost 50% ownership.

3. Trump Castle in 1992 was the third casino-hotel owned by Trump and going bankrupt in the same year as Trump Plaza. All three casinos in Atlantic City were competing against each other and all going bankrupt. A deal was struck with the bondholders giving them 50% of ownership in exchange for reduced interest rates and elimination of $25 million of the debt. The total debt before the deal for the Castle was $338 million. The Trump Castle is now known as the Golden Nugget.

4. Trump Plaza Hotel in Manhattan overlooking Central Park was the third Chapter 11 bankruptcy filed by Trump in the year 1992. This renowned New York hotel was $550 million in debt when Trump attempted to sell off several parts of it as condominiums but was unsuccessful. Instead, the banks took over 49% of the estate and forgave $250 million of the debt along with a reduced interest rate.

5. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts was an entity that Donald Trump had combined the Taj Mahal, Trump Plaza, and Trump Castle under in 1995. However in 2004, the company once again filed for bankruptcy as it was $1.8 billion in debt. Trump’s ownership of the company and casinos was reduced from 47% to 27%.

6. Trump Entertainment Resorts (TER) was what became of the Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts after the 2004 bankruptcy. TER went bankrupt as well in 2009 after being in debt $1.2 billion. After arguments over restructuring, Trump again lost ownership down to 10% and resigned as chairman of the board. Later he sued TER stating that the company was no longer representing his name at the highest level as he would have. This lawsuit became the last straw and caused TER to go bankrupt again and close its doors for good.

Overall, the Trump Organization is involved with 515 subsidiaries and entities, of which 264 of them have Trumps name, and 54 have his initials. Of these businesses, the above-listed 6 have filed for bankruptcy, all under Chapter 11 “reorganization.”

Soooooo How dumb do you feel now confronted with the FACTS ???
I mean you just don't care what you spread do you ??
This is TDS and you have it bad

PS: That is about 1% in case the math is hard,
PPS: I suggest you do a simple search on Mark Cuban and count his failures over the years too, but you don't care, because ??? TDS

I've known all this for a long time but just hadn't dona all the work to dig all that up. You certainly won't hear that from the "fake news."

Thanks for doing that Glen.

Edit: It should also be stated...emphasized rather that these bancruptcies were done within the law; the same laws available to you and me.

Trump inherited his wealth and most of his fortune was made on his TV show. Most of his "companies" are not his at all. They are ventures where he has licensed his name for others to use and he picks up the fees. He has a history of continually stiffing folks and using the law as a weapon to enrich himself. He's also a big time tax evader. He has had over 4000 legal actions filed against him. He has been convicted of financial fraud and is great at conning others to take the fall for him. Also the phony charities he has created that never paid a dime except to himself. Then there's the antics with the foreign banks since no one in the U.S will lend him money. The list goes on.

If you consider a big time crook and con artist to be a great businessman then I guess he's a great businessman. I think if you spoke to a real business man and rich guy like Warren Buffet about Trump you would get an education. Just talk to someone who's seen the light like your man Elon Musk-har har har.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Trump inherited his wealth and most of his fortune was made on his TV show. Most of his "companies" are not his at all. They are ventures where he has licensed his name for others to use and he picks up the fees. He has a history of continually stiffing folks and using the law as a weapon to enrich himself. He's also a big time tax evader. He has had over 4000 legal actions filed against him. He has been convicted of financial fraud and is great at conning others to take the fall for him. Also the phony charities he has created that never paid a dime except to himself. Then there's the antics with the foreign banks since no one in the U.S will lend him money. The list goes on.

If you consider a big time crook and con artist to be a great businessman then I guess he's a great businessman. I think if you spoke to a real business man and rich guy like Warren Buffet about Trump you would get an education. Just talk to someone who's seen the light like your man Elon Musk-har har har.

You just reposted more lies that you believe, I gave you cold hard facts,, you responded with lies and innuendo, again TDS

Originally Posted by PaulFLUS

I've known all this for a long time but just hadn't dona all the work to dig all that up. You certainly won't hear that from the "fake news."

Thanks for doing that Glen.

Edit: It should also be stated...emphasized rather that these bancruptcies were done within the law; the same laws available to you and me.

Note that it made no difference to Nelson, he ignored the facts and went right back to his same ole song, this is true Delusion

Originally Posted by PaulFLUS

You know, you're right. We should stick to voting in lawyers who couldn't be satisfied sucking the blood out of turnips and ambulances, who find it more advantageous to make a career of giving lofty speeches, making big promises and yet doing nothing. If they play their cards right they end their career falling up stairs and stammering incoherently.

Why would we want a president with ambition who wants to make America great again after a long list of career politicians who did what I just described.

God forbid we should aspire to greatness. Who knows, we might mess around and succeed.

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." The Great One/Wayne Gretsky,

Our ancestors shrugged off every other country on earth to come here because they dared to dream big and strive boldly against the odds in a land where their aspirations could become success. In fact they still do it today. I find it refreshing to see a president who still believes that we can achieve great things even if we don't achieve them all.

Those are great ambitions and it would be fantastic to elect a president who could play a major part their achievement. Whether President Trump will actually make good on his promises remains to be seen.

Maybe we shouldn't forget that it is the 'United' States of America. President Trump might eventually be regarded as the most divisive president in US history.

Originally Posted by PaulFLUS

I've known all this for a long time but just hadn't dona all the work to dig all that up. You certainly won't hear that from the "fake news."

Thanks for doing that Glen.

Edit: It should also be stated...emphasized rather that these bancruptcies were done within the law; the same laws available to you and me.

If the same laws applied to the TACO I think he would be in prison? Or if we listened to the TACO he would be in some el Salvador prison.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Note that it made no difference to Nelson, he ignored the facts and went right back to his same ole song, this is true Delusion

It's really sad and more than a little concerning that they keep holding on to the same tired playbill instead of LOOKING AT THE RECORD. Typical blue pill thinking we've come to expect on the right.

Originally Posted by Christian1

If the same laws applied to the TACO I think he would be in prison? Or if we listened to the TACO he would be in some el Salvador prison.

Based on what? Just more examples of the irrational hatred that is rotting the left's minds.