Thread: Supreme Court finds individual right to own guns

Originally Posted by DSailing

Criminals get guns, because this is what they are taught by society. As a civilization, we teach the people that when you are low on a resource, just attack somebody else and steal theirs. We never stop to question why we ran out of a resource on a planet that is full of abundance and life.

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Low on a resource? Like what? TV's they steal? drugs they need to buy? women to rape? Are you talking about criminals or state militaries? Do you equate militaries with criminals?
We do question it constantly, and yet it still happens. The world was never perfect, unless you believe that Adam and Eve had it all. And if you believe that, why would Cain kill Abel?

Dsailing, at some point you have to acknowledge that somebody at some point in history came up with the idea of making someone else's life miserable for no good reason and without encouragement from anyone else. It's just what some people do Do you have siblings?

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

The Nazis didn't get habeus corpus. Did Saddam? I don't know

Habeas Corpus - Latin for "You have the body." Most often, a writ of habeas corpus is a judicial order forcing law enforcement authorities to produce a prisoner they are holding, and to justify the prisoner's continued confinement. A petition for a writ of habeas corpus often is filed in federal courts by state prison inmates who say their state prosecutions violated federally protected rights in some way.

They all got habeas corpus.

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

Who are these liberals? I don't know any. Do they have covert cells? Passwords? Secret handshakes and decoder rings?

They sure must be awful people, though, with all the rotten stuff they do. What is it that they believe that makes them so horrible?

j

I guess I'll do some research for you- This is from democrats.com of all places: "Prosecute George Bush and Dick Cheney for War Crimes" http://archive.democrats.com/elandsl...aign=warcrimes

Originally Posted by Nickelking

Habeas Corpus - Latin for "You have the body." Most often, a writ of habeas corpus is a judicial order forcing law enforcement authorities to produce a prisoner they are holding, and to justify the prisoner's continued confinement. A petition for a writ of habeas corpus often is filed in federal courts by state prison inmates who say their state prosecutions violated federally protected rights in some way.

They all got habeas corpus.

Not really. They didn’t have the right to challenge their detention, nor request habeas corpus

I guess it's just a semantic difference then.

Originally Posted by Nickelking

I guess it's just a semantic difference then.

Well, to me the big questions is, would Osama and his terror junkies in Gitmo have the right to say, "hey we want you to be able to prove that we deserve to be here. Maybe we can get the whole case tossed out on a technicality, that would be great. That way we can come back and blow up your court later"

To me the debate is whether or not people captured in the way that they are have that right

It's been a fundamental human right for 750 years (ish?) And remember not all of these folks were dug out of caves in afghanistan.

Originally Posted by Nickelking

It's been a fundamental human right for 750 years (ish?) And remember not all of these folks were dug out of caves in afghanistan.

There will have to be another amendment to the Constitution if the US government wants to acknowledge it as a human right that can never be taken away from anyone. I understand that doesn't make it right or wrong, but that is the will of the people of the U.S. and it has been part of the U.S. federal government since its foundation.

"The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it"

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

I guess I'll do some research for you- This is from democrats.com of all places: "Prosecute George Bush and Dick Cheney for War Crimes" http://archive.democrats.com/elandsl...aign=warcrimes

No mention of liberals there. Did they do this in secret?

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Not really. They didn’t have the right to challenge their detention, nor request habeas corpus

They were virtually all tried within a year or two of their arrests. They had full access to an international tribunal created by the allies where, presumably, they could file writs and motions, including habeas corpus. They did not have access to U.S courts, mainly because they weren't being held exclusively by the United States. But a legitimately-constituted court was created and they did have representation and full access to it.

I should also point out that a writ of habeas corpus is not a get-out-of-jail-free card. It merely requires the court to show some legitimate cause for holding someone. It doesn't mean that they have to let you go.

It falls under the concept of "due process."

j

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

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Low on a resource? Like what? TV's they steal? drugs they need to buy? women to rape? Are you talking about criminals or state militaries? Do you equate militaries with criminals?
We do question it constantly, and yet it still happens. The world was never perfect, unless you believe that Adam and Eve had it all. And if you believe that, why would Cain kill Abel?

Dsailing, at some point you have to acknowledge that somebody at some point in history came up with the idea of making someone else's life miserable for no good reason and without encouragement from anyone else. It's just what some people do Do you have siblings?

I was attempting to show that this culture is violent and teaches violence as a way to solve conflict and a means to get the resources that you feel you need. And yes, I do equate militaries with criminals.