Thread: So these are the types of people the supreme court want to turn loose on US courts?

Originally Posted by JMS

And sometimes its a matter of national security! ... War time happened!

Well, since everyone agrees that this "war" will last for a long time, I guess you can just kiss your constitutional rights goodbye. Isn't it impressive how easy it was to lose your liberty?

Originally Posted by Nickelking

ha! those last two posts together eare hilariously JMS and I.

The suspension of constitutional rights using the excuse of war and basic ignorance of what those rights were are the main reasons why the United States has already slipped into Fascism and why almost nobody seems to notice.

Originally Posted by Chimensch

The suspension of constitutional rights using the excuse of war and basic ignorance of what those rights were are the main reasons why the United States has already slipped into Fascism and why almost nobody seems to notice.

Exactly, there was a book recently that detailed the steps usually used to devolve into fascism, we've got most of the major ones down.

and no I can't remember the name of the book... I think it was by naomi klein, but I could be wrong, I'm a bit tipsy.

Originally Posted by Nickelking

Exactly, there was a book recently that detailed the steps usually used to devolve into fascism, we've got most of the major ones down.

and no I can't remember the name of the book... I think it was by naomi klein, but I could be wrong, I'm a bit tipsy.

The book was called "Shock" something and, no, I didn't read it, but I saw the movie. Nice chatting with you but now I have to go to work and you need to go to bed.

Originally Posted by Chimensch

The book was called "Shock" something and, no, I didn't read it, but I saw the movie. Nice chatting with you but now I have to go to work and you need to go to bed.

The Shock Doctrine. Thanks.

Happy work!

If it is a matter of national security a closed trial would be perfectly acceptable. It happens all the time with cases hinging on secret material.

There seems to be an assumption that these guys were all rounded up while they were dancing a jig on the runway of the airport they just bombed. If that's the case then it should be easy to please everyone, save the jiggers. Few would argue that they have forfeited their rights if they have engaged in terrorist or espionage activities. The assumption though, is that because we are holding them with complete disregard for any rights, they must be terrorists.

As to the original post, I wouldn't suggest that the US take it's cue from the Taliban as to jurisprudence, human rights, or conflict resolution of any kind. I sincerely hope that everyone in the US holds every single one of our institutions to a much higher standard.

My concern, for obvious reasons, is that a few of my straight-edge brethren appear to be advocating detaining individuals because of what "type" of people they are.

I think we all know where that leads.

j

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

My concern, for obvious reasons, is that a few of my straight-edge brethren appear to be advocating detaining individuals because of what "type" of people they are.

I think we all know where that leads.

j

I, using JohnP's exceptional ability to express himself, have explained what I mean by "type", but I'm not certain you mean the same thing! could you explain in terms that will allow us to defend ourselves if needed, or agree with you if defending is not needed?

Originally Posted by Chimensch

Well, since everyone agrees that this "war" will last for a long time, I guess you can just kiss your constitutional rights goodbye. Isn't it impressive how easy it was to lose your liberty?

my constitutional rights are not in question! The question is whether non citizens and enemy combatants should be afforded these rights!

Originally Posted by Chimensch

The suspension of constitutional rights using the excuse of war and basic ignorance of what those rights were are the main reasons why the United States has already slipped into Fascism and why almost nobody seems to notice.

Becareful throwing the "F" word around. I would think that you being from Italy, you were taught in school about your recent history and would understand what this "F" word means, and would likewise understand that America is not the definition of this word!
Upon further thought we may be leaning towards a more socialistic, liberal type Fascism which may come into full play if Obama is elected!

Originally Posted by JMS

my constitutional rights are not in question! The question is whether non citizens and enemy combatants should be afforded these rights!

No, you are not correct. Jose Padilla is a US citizen who was designated an enemy combattant and stripped of his constitutional rights. If it happened to him, it can happen to you.

Originally Posted by JMS

Becareful throwing the "F" word around. I would think that you being from Italy, you were taught in school about your recent history and would understand what this "F" word means, and would likewise understand that America is not the definition of this word!
Upon further thought we may be leaning towards a more socialistic, liberal type Fascism which may come into full play if Obama is elected!

Another factual error. I live in Italy but I'm from Chicago. As for Fascism, we hold sham elections where we elect representatives who vote for whatever their corporate donors want, we launch imperialistic wars, justified by lies, against the express will of the people. The news media are all owned by large corporations that censor the news ... don't get me started.

Here is your Jose Padilla!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%...%28prisoner%29
If you ask me, we should've shot him