Thread: So these are the types of people the supreme court want to turn loose on US courts?

Originally Posted by JMS

Fascism is generally attributed to the "right wing", people with a conservative bent! but if you take a look at the two dictators that the term was originally applied to, you will find that they were more socialistic left leaning!

In fact early on Mussolini was active in the socialist movement. It was after WWI that he decided socialism as a world movement was ineffectual and dead in the water.

Though he did his best work as a fascist .


The concept of liberal fascism has me a little confused.

Originally Posted by Pudu

In fact early on Mussolini was active in the socialist movement. It was after WWI that he decided socialism as a world movement was ineffectual and dead in the water.

Though he did his best work as a fascist .

Lets not forget the Italian Social republic that he headed up until his death!

Originally Posted by JMS

And what do you suppose NAZI stands for?

Oh, please! You're not basing your remarkable statement on that! It was just a name.

Did Hitler or Mussolini nationalize private property? No. Did they exercise national control over the means of production? No. They did none of the things that would qualify them as socialists or communists at all. In fact, they went out of their way to demonize and stamp out communism and socialism whenever they could.

Your assertion is completely absurd.

Mussolini used to say that if there was a synonym for "fascism" it was "corporatism" -- the convergence of corporate interests and national policy. That's why the Nazi/Fascist era was a heyday for corporations like Krupps etc.

It's as though the American government decided to formulate, say, energy policy with input only from oil companies. Oh, wait. That's what happened.

j

Originally Posted by JMS

Lets not forget the Italian Social republic that he headed up until his death!

Well now, be fair, that truly was just a name applied to a Nazi puppet state in the north of Italy, chosen to match nicely with National Socialists.

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

Oh, please! You're not basing your remarkable statement on that! It was just a name.

Did Hitler or Mussolini nationalize private property? No. Did they exercise national control over the means of production? No. They did none of the things that would qualify them as socialists or communists at all. In fact, they went out of their way to demonize and stamp out communism and socialism whenever they could.


j

Their actions are similar to the policies of the American left politicians without the need for the approval of the public! Being dictators they had total dominance as the liberal politicians wish to have over us only they cant quite make the jump because of that pesky constitution!
The conservatives are looking for individual freedom and individual responsibility while the liberals want to give the masses bread and games all the while slowly but surely enslaving us!
Hitler did this by force! Liberal politicians have to do this with political trickery!
As to private property and business, it was private in name only, as the two countries were ruled by dictators! Dictator=no freedom=everything belongs to you until we want it!

Originally Posted by JMS

Their actions are similar to the policies of the American left politicians without the need for the approval of the public! Being dictators they had total dominance as the liberal politicians wish to have over us only they cant quite make the jump because of that pesky constitution!
The conservatives are looking for individual freedom and individual responsibility while the liberals want to give the masses bread and games all the while slowly but surely enslaving us!
Hitler did this by force! Liberal politicians have to do this with political trickery!
As to private property and business, it was private in name only, as the two countries were ruled by dictators! Dictator=no freedom=everything belongs to you until we want it!

Golly, those liberals sound terrible! We should put them in camps, don't you think?

j

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

Golly, those liberals sound terrible! We should put them in camps, don't you think?

j

Just shoot them! It'll be much easier!

Originally Posted by JMS

Just shoot them! It'll be much easier!

Come on, man. You can't actually believe what you say about "liberals." Nobody advocates what you attribute to them. Nobody would stand for it. Believe me, it's far easier to justify a statement that conservatives want to take away freedoms than it is that "liberals" do.

Besides that, there really aren't any "liberals." It's just a red herring thrown into an election debate by right wing politicians. I repeat: nobody, but nobody believes what is attributed to liberals.

What's disturbing is the apparent need on the part of right wing people to have a demon to hate, even if they have to create one. That's a problem. Can't right wingers survive without someone to hate?

j

Originally Posted by JMS

... as the liberal politicians wish to have over us only they cant quite make the jump because of that pesky constitution!
The conservatives are looking for individual freedom and individual responsibility while the liberals want to give the masses bread and games all the while slowly but surely enslaving us!
... Liberal politicians have to do this with political trickery!

LOL, I think you got some s'plainin' to do.

Originally Posted by JMS

As to private property and business, it was private in name only, as the two countries were ruled by dictators! Dictator=no freedom=everything belongs to you until we want it!

So the immense profits that Krupp, IG Farben, Volkswagen, Ford, GM's Opel, and IBM's Dehomag, enjoyed after Hitler came to power all really belonged to the wee Austrian? He got into power with significant help from finaciers and industrialists and he paid them back handsomely.

Oh, and one of the first things he did was abolish labour unions and imprison prominent socialists and communists.

Originally Posted by Pudu

Oh, and one of the first things he did was abolish labour unions and imprison prominent socialists and communists.

He didn't need the competition I guess!