Thread: Palin's Choice for VP

I listened to Palin's talk last night and was quite entertained. My vote in November will probably still be a vote against Obama though. I hope someone else can get on Oklahoma's ballot if they haven't already

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Originally Posted by hoglahoo

I listened to Palin's talk last night and was quite entertained. My vote in November will probably still be a vote against Obama though. I hope someone else can get on Oklahoma's ballot if they haven't already

If you don't like Obama but don't vote for McCain, you may as well be voting for Obama. Looks what Perot did for Clinton and what Nader did for Bush Jr.

I'm definitely voting McCain, but I have to say this is the one election where I don't dislike either candidate, so this is one time I'd feel no need to resort to an independent. But reasonable can and usually do differ.

Originally Posted by Hutch

While It seems you want to pick a fight with the use of "you", but hey that's how you shut people up right the Rove way attack them personally.

Why is it the answer to every question asked about Sarah Palin is she has more experience than Obama, even when the question has nothing to do with experience?

There have been people who have brought up experience, but it hasn't came from the Obama campaign diectly, for one they'd be stupid to because he has very little experience too. Pretending that she has experience is just right wing spin, between the pair neither of them do.

My point was the issues for which she has yet to express anything on any issue.

I'm open I want to hear from her own mouth what she actually knows, and thinks.

Here's my strikes against her so far;

1. Supports teaching Creationism in school, I do give credit that she hasn't pushed the issue since being elected, but she believes it none the less.
2. Pro-life
3. She actually said that she didn't know what a Vice President does.
4. Due to Mc Cain's age and health issues odds have it that she would be president, I don't even think anyone in the Republican party would have considered running her as president candidate.

These are fair points. I do think it's interesting that you, unlike many, candidly concede Obama has little experience. And I am curious why you are supporting him then. It's a reasonable answer to say you are going on faith that his intelligence will allow him to pick it up as he goes, and that you find his views so much more compelling than McCain's that you are willing to make the leap of faith, but that's a heck of a leap of faith for me.

To be fair to Palin, most of us had never heard of her till a week ago, so it's hard to hold it against her that she hasn't gotten her views out there. This will play out over the next couple of months as it should.

On your four points, I agree that creationism doesn't belong in schools, but also agree that it's not an issue any of us should be talking about, and she isn't pushing it, why are we talking about it? She may not like the Dallas Cowboys either, but I'm not holding that against her if she doesn't make it part of her agenda.

I'm what I think many are - I think it's murder to kill babies, but it's a woman's choice whehter she does so. So while I'm not squarely with her on that, I'm pretty close. But honestly I don't see that as an issue to focus on.

I kind of like the VP quip. Do you know what a VP does? I don't! Sure sure she casts the deciding vote in the senate, which happens how many times? The real role depends entirely on the relationship between the P and VP, so not sure she was wrong on that one.

On your fourth point, that's why people always respond to charges that she is experienced by saying neither is Obama. On the off chance McCain dies before she is blooded, sure that would be a drag because she is inexperienced. But......if you are worried about that, and concede that Obama is also not experienced, how on earth can you vote for him, when we know he'll be in charge immediately if he wins? And if we're all willing to go on faith that talent trumps experience, let's she if she has talent before decrying her - and on first look, she appears to have a lot of real talent (and she is hot but that's not what I mean by talent). Gut reaction, I think Putin would be more worried about pushing the envelope on Palin than he would on Obama.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Well... gwb got elected. twice.
So 'experience' and 'capabilities' have long since ceased to matter.

This is highly debatable.

I only have one vote and can't assume that everyone else is going to vote a certain way. (yes I'm one of those people)

Here's what goes through my mind: If your argument changed my mind to vote for one of the two major party candidates, then I have to think it's possible that others changed their minds as well. And for no other reason than they were told that everyone else would be voting for one of the two major party candidates. To take it to the extreme, for all I know there could be millions of voters this election willing to vote for a 3rd party but won't because they know (they were told) a 3rd party can't get elected. Maybe I am too much of an idealist in this area :P

Originally Posted by icedog

This is highly debatable.

you must be joking...

already!

Originally Posted by loueedacat

These are fair points. I do think it's interesting that you, unlike many, candidly concede Obama has little experience. And I am curious why you are supporting him then. It's a reasonable answer to say you are going on faith that his intelligence will allow him to pick it up as he goes, and that you find his views so much more compelling than McCain's that you are willing to make the leap of faith, but that's a heck of a leap of faith for me.

To be fair to Palin, most of us had never heard of her till a week ago, so it's hard to hold it against her that she hasn't gotten her views out there. This will play out over the next couple of months as it should.

On your four points, I agree that creationism doesn't belong in schools, but also agree that it's not an issue any of us should be talking about, and she isn't pushing it, why are we talking about it? She may not like the Dallas Cowboys either, but I'm not holding that against her if she doesn't make it part of her agenda.

I'm what I think many are - I think it's murder to kill babies, but it's a woman's choice whehter she does so. So while I'm not squarely with her on that, I'm pretty close. But honestly I don't see that as an issue to focus on.

I kind of like the VP quip. Do you know what a VP does? I don't! Sure sure she casts the deciding vote in the senate, which happens how many times? The real role depends entirely on the relationship between the P and VP, so not sure she was wrong on that one.

On your fourth point, that's why people always respond to charges that she is experienced by saying neither is Obama. On the off chance McCain dies before she is blooded, sure that would be a drag because she is inexperienced. But......if you are worried about that, and concede that Obama is also not experienced, how on earth can you vote for him, when we know he'll be in charge immediately if he wins? And if we're all willing to go on faith that talent trumps experience, let's she if she has talent before decrying her - and on first look, she appears to have a lot of real talent (and she is hot but that's not what I mean by talent). Gut reaction, I think Putin would be more worried about pushing the envelope on Palin than he would on Obama.

My problem is McCain not Palin, the man pretends to be this "maverick" his term not mine, If you look at positions now to what they were in the past its very evident that he has sold out a lot of his personal beliefs to become more palatable to the far right fringe of the party, his selection of Sarah Palin is more proof of this. I would have described McCain as a fiscal conservative and a social liberal, but its obvious he didn't feel he could win that way, so we now have ultra rightwing McCain, which I can't support under any circumstances.

The fact that these far right conservative like to pretend that they are the godsends for the economy just doesn't show up in the facts. His tax cuts, they sound great, but lets look at this realistically, forget all the federal spending expect defense and the war in Iraq who does he plan on paying for the $10 000 000 000 / month that its costing (that he wouldn't mind spending for the next 100 years). As for the tax cuts and the economy, well there's been eight years on Republican Tax cuts, what has it done for the economy. Look at the deficit that the republicans have sky rocketed out of control, who do you think holds those loans?

Due to what the Republicans have done with the economy, foreign policy and militarily they have placed the country in great jeopardy, I can't even see how they can run on security for they have put the country in one of the most precarious positions it has ever been in.

The Republicans love to run on fear, scaring the voters about how bad things could be, I wouldn't be surprised to see the fear start being ratcheted up again very soon.

Then there was the little military escapade into Pakistan this week, I wonder what that was all about. Maybe the Republicans are preparing a November surprise.

Hutch:
If you don't agree to the tax cuts, you're welcome to send in a $1,000.00 check every month to help lower the deficit, that way you don't have to penalize other people for your ideas. Another point, the deficit was already high when the Clinton's left the White House. All they did was lower the defense budget and give the terrorists a great opportunity bombing embasies, the USS Cole, the World Trade Center, and prepare for the 9/11 attack, while Bill was busy with Monica

As far as running on fear, I think the left wing is scaring the people with economy issues that may or may not be accurrate.

By the way, where did BHO get his master in economics at? must've been while chairman of the BA foundation.

With the current all time high US budget deficit any promise of tax cuts should be taken with a pinch of salt. I would not vote for a politician that makes empty tax cut promises.

Why tax at all if the US is just going to keep spending what it doesnt have anyway? Just speed toward insolvency and get it over with?