Thread: Debate #3! Its about time McCain took the fight to Obama!

Originally Posted by Brother Jeeter

Now...if you have read all three of my previous posts in this thread, you should understand why I feel that those two statements are in fact mutually exclusive. And if that is in fact the case, only one of them CAN be true.
They might both be wrong, but they can't both be right.

I did read them. If someone says 2 things, and you say one of them has to be a lie, you are technically calling that man a liar.
But ok it was a misunderstanding so let's leave that part of the argument behind.

I don't say they are not mutually exclusive, I say they don't have to be. The cuts don't even have to be the same size.

If I take away 1 tax cut, and give everybody a new tax cut, I have done both, and depending on the amounts and specific number involved, you can come out ahead, not notice, or come out behind.

"We're off to see the Wizard..."

Meaning, I'm going to bed.

Originally Posted by Brother Jeeter

Meaning, I'm going to bed.

It's only 10 AM
G'Night.

Originally Posted by Brother Jeeter

Hasn't anyone put together Obama's two phrases, "95% of Americans will receive tax cuts" and "We're gonna roll back the Bush tax cuts"?
Rolling back a tax cut IS a tax increase!
He CANNOT have it both ways! So which is the lie?

That's the extent of BHOBAMA's knowledge about the economy, don't forget, his only real experience is as a Community Organizer, and partying with the Ayers, Wrights, Rezcos, etc

Saying that this was the best debate performance so far by McCain is like saying Star Wars The Phantom Menace was the best of the three new Star Wars films--they all sucked, this one just happened to have sucked less than the other two....


I actually voted for McCain back in 2000 in the republican primaries just because I was so very strongly against the idea that G.W. would get the nod. McCain has lost a step (or two) since then.

Time to be put out to pasture.

That goes for GW too...

Originally Posted by Navaja

That's the extent of BHOBAMA's knowledge about the economy, don't forget, his only real experience is as a Community Organizer, and partying with the Ayers, Wrights, Rezcos, etc

Yet, somehow he appears to be capable to run a consistent campaign, while his opponent with whatever experience he may have can't. I would argue that at the end of the day what matters is not the 'experience' or pedigree one has, but whether they are up to the job, or not.
If McCain has better knowledge of the economy, he clearly can't articulate it, or he would not be spending his time and money telling you who Obama's partying with, while omitting to mention his own parties.

Brother Jeeter, at least over the last weeks Obama has been telling us that at the end of the day when all tax cuts are repealed and the new ones are instated only those who make more than 250,000 will be paying more taxes than they do now. I don't think he's lying about this, or the other side would've made a huge deal about it. 250,000 a year is not lower middle class in amarica, so you should be paying less taxes under his plan. Do you realy care if they are called "Bush's tax cuts or Obama's tax cuts". May be there ought to be a choice for those in the 250,000 bracket only - get taxed either under the Bush's code or under Obama's code, see how many would pick to pay the Bush taxes.

Why do you think the stock market has crashed?
In anticipation to the potential Obama's dividend and capital gain tax increase.
I don't think 28% capital gain tax will lure investors into the market. And there's a lot of middle class people that have investments and don't welcome Obama's program.
And don't think rich people are willing to "spread the wealth" for ever, they always find a loop hole to save their money, and the rest of us will get stuck with paying the bill.
That's why all the bail-outs are not making any impact on Wall Street.
We're on the way to socialism/communism, and some of us already know what happens next.

Originally Posted by Navaja

Why do you think the stock market has crashed?
In anticipation to the potential Obama's dividend and capital gain tax increase.
I don't think 28% capital gain tax will lure investors into the market. And there's a lot of middle class people that have investments and don't welcome Obama's program.
And don't think rich people are willing to "spread the wealth" for ever, they always find a loop hole to save their money, and the rest of us will get stuck with paying the bill.
That's why all the bail-outs are not making any impact on Wall Street.
We're on the way to socialism/communism, and some of us already know what happens next.

What has this to do with the Presidential debate last night?

Originally Posted by Navaja

Why do you think the stock market has crashed?

Because several major banks and financial institutions have collapsed as a result of the credit crisis that was building up way before Obama even ran in the primaries.

Originally Posted by Navaja

We're on the way to socialism/communism, and some of us already know what happens next.

Please tell me. Most of us in western europe have been living in partly socialist countries for over half a century, and some far longer than that. So whatever bad is happening in your vision of socialism should happen any day now...