Thread: Abortion: split from stem cell research

Originally Posted by Seraphim

Why the end of the discussion?

You and I may heve differing views on it, but isn't that what "The Conversation" is all about?

My point is that if left alone, that clump of cells would become a sentient human being like you or I within 9 months. At which point it could cease to be an issue in the mother's life if that is what they chose to do.

You analogy of taking things by force, to me at least speaks more to what is done to the unborn, than what is done to anybody else.

No if left ALONE it would become nothing, it only becomes something when left with in a woman's body. So basically its a parasite. It should be a human when it is viable to survive on its own.

Originally Posted by Hutch

No if left ALONE it would become nothing, it only becomes something when left with in a woman's body. So basically its a parasite. It should be a human when it is viable to survive on its own.

But don't kids remain parasites until after high school or college?

Originally Posted by loueedacat

But don't kids remain parasites until after high school or college?

I love how everyone on both sides of the abortion debate always assume that there are only two options. either a dead fetus or a life of misery with its inept parents for the child.

There is a third option, Giving the child up for adoption. Watch Juno for an interesting take on how this can work out. Does anyone really think that either of the children in that movie, the young mother or the unborn child would in any way hav been better of if that movie had ended in the abortion clinic? Judging by the amazing growth in the field of human fertility treatment, it seems to me that there are a bunch of people who despite, sometimes deperate, desire are unable to have their own children. I'm betting they would be a viable alternative for a whole lot of children who are currently murdered in their pre-birth sleep.

The fact that all these desirous farily well off people are denied children by our societies callus policy of allowing abortion, I think it is socially reprehensible to abort a fetus and not help these good people out.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

I love how everyone on both sides of the abortion debate always assume that there are only two options. either a dead fetus or a life of misery with its inept parents for the child.

There is a third option, Giving the child up for adoption. Watch Juno for an interesting take on how this can work out. Does anyone really think that either of the children in that movie, the young mother or the unborn child would in any way hav been better of if that movie had ended in the abortion clinic? Judging by the amazing growth in the field of human fertility treatment, it seems to me that there are a bunch of people who despite, sometimes deperate, desire are unable to have their own children. I'm betting they would be a viable alternative for a whole lot of children who are currently murdered in their pre-birth sleep.

The fact that all these desirous farily well off people are denied children by our societies callus policy of allowing abortion, I think it is socially reprehensible to abort a fetus and not help these good people out.

Those people doing fertility treatments don't want a little black crack baby. There are 10's of thousand of children in foster care that would love to be adopted. People want their own baby not someone else's. Then there is the new troubling problem of birth mothers and biological sperm donating fathers coming back later and taking the children back, although rare this really turns people off.

I think it's callus that someone not involved in the situation can make a life decision for someone else with-out knowing any details.

Here's one what if a gay couple wanted to adopt a baby that would have been other wise aborted? Or what would the religious right do if there was a way to test to find out if a fetus was going to be gay, would they then support abortion, or would they prefer to torment the human as he grew.

Originally Posted by Hutch

Those people doing fertility treatments don't want a little black crack baby. There are 10's of thousand of children in foster care that would love to be adopted. People want their own baby not someone else's. Then there is the new troubling problem of birth mothers and biological sperm donating fathers coming back later and taking the children back, although rare this really turns people off.

Here's one what if a gay couple wanted to adopt a baby that would have been other wise aborted? Or what would the religious right do if there was a way to test to find out if a fetus was going to be gay, would they then support abortion, or would they prefer to torment the human as he grew.

Boy you have a huge chip on your shoulder about religion don't you? Kind of colors all your posts and makes you seem foolish. especially since it is obvious all you understand about religion you have heard on CNN.

Most foster children enter the system a lot older than at birth and we are talking babies not children, unless you favor "aborting" them too?

Originally Posted by Hutch

I think it's callus that someone not involved in the situation can make a life decision for someone else with-out knowing any details.

Me too that's why I am against killing people before they are out of the womb and able to make a few decisions for themselves.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

Boy you have a huge chip on your shoulder about religion don't you? Kind of colors all your posts and makes you seem foolish. especially since it is obvious all you understand about religion you have heard on CNN.

Most foster children enter the system a lot older than at birth and we are talking babies not children, unless you favor "aborting" them too?

So I can't ask those questions, it's not a chip on my shoulder, and it colours my post's no more than it colours the those of the the religious zealots that want to impose their beliefs on others.

Yes so older kids don't deserve to be adopted? Why aren't all those that are for the protection of children out adopting the older children? For the record the vast majority of abortions are performed on lower income woman, many who are drug users, prostitutes, and otherwise wouldn't be bringing a child into the nice idyllic suburban world.

Spare me the personal attacks. I really don't like CNN, nor do I like Rush, or Fox. You don't know anything about my religious upbringing.

If you want to answer what really are philosophical questions, then answer them, if not. don't.

Originally Posted by Wildtim

Me too that's why I am against killing people before they are out of the womb and able to make a few decisions for themselves.

I agree I'm against killing people in the womb, the good thing is there aren't any people in the womb, there's only embryos and fetuses.

Originally Posted by Hutch

I agree I'm against killing people in the womb, the good thing is there aren't any people in the womb, there's only embryos and fetuses.

And thats where you are wrong.

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