Thread: Freedom of Speech

It's interesting that the discussion in this thread shows by its content that we all have freedom of speech.

I think.

The holocaust annoys the heck out of me more than anything.
I read the history, I've visited some of the concentration camps, I've seen the gas chambers and the incinerators. I've also heard every moaning Jew from one side of the world to the other go on and on and on about it. I've also had the Jewish propoganda machine use its influential media people hype the message continuously on the television and radio virtually daily throughout my life.
Its now even crawled its way onto my shaving forum.

I wonder if the Jews will use the same media machine to seek foregiveness for the ethnic cleansing they have just undertaken in the holocaust that has just taken place in the Gaza strip.

Now lets see if we really have freedom of speech to say what we really think and feel without any recriminations. Because that what freedom of speech is.

Originally Posted by English

It's interesting that the discussion in this thread shows by its content that we all have freedom of speech.

I think.

The holocaust annoys the heck out of me more than anything.
I read the history, I've visited some of the concentration camps, I've seen the gas chambers and the incinerators. I've also heard every moaning Jew from one side of the world to the other go on and on and on about it. I've also had the Jewish propoganda machine use its influential media people hype the message continuously on the television and radio virtually daily throughout my life.
Its now even crawled its way onto my shaving forum.

I wonder if the Jews will use the same media machine to seek foregiveness for the ethnic cleansing they have just undertaken in the holocaust that has just taken place in the Gaza strip.

Now lets see if we really have freedom of speech to say what we really think and feel without any recriminations. Because that what freedom of speech is.

We should maintain a distinction between the action of the Israeli government and the action of "Jews." There is a big difference. Disagreement with policies of the State of Israel is not synonymous with anti-semitism, nor are the activities of Israel equal to the activities of all Jews.

The State of Israel has to answer for its actions in Gaza, not Jews.

j

Nord Jim,

You are correct. But I should remind you that the Israeli Government was democratically elected by its people who are Jewish.

You are of course entitled to your opinion and I respect it. It doesn't mean I agree with it but that is what freedom of speech is all about.

Originally Posted by English

Nord Jim,

You are correct. But I should remind you that the Israeli Government was democratically elected by its people who are Jewish.

You are of course entitled to your opinion and I respect it. It doesn't mean I agree with it but that is what freedom of speech is all about.

And our government was elected by people who are predominantly Christian. I think the two concepts need to be kept separate.

j

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

And our government was elected by people who are predominantly Christian. I think the two concepts need to be kept separate.

j

Really. Thanks for the information.

Originally Posted by English

Really. Thanks for the information.

Do I detect sarcasm?

j

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

And our government was elected by people who are predominantly Christian. I think the two concepts need to be kept separate.

j

The other day I saw a video of Noam Chomsky's talk on Gaza (sorry I can't find the link) and during the Q&A, someone asked why the US was such a strong supporter of Israel. He said that, beyond the effect of the Israel lobby and strategic geopolitical issues, there was also the fact that Americans identify with Israel's situation because of our own history: A colonial people who had an indigenous people to dispose of and a concept of manifest destiny (I think he called it Providentialism, the belief that god wanted us to take the land). I appreciated his comment because I have always felt that the genocide of the Native Americans was a dark skeleton in our collective psyche that was bound to bear very bitter fruit someday if we didn't address it and cure it. I think there is truth in this, in the sense that we have to support Israel because if we criticize them, then we have to face what we have done to the Native Americans and others around the world.

Originally Posted by English

Nord Jim,

You are correct. But I should remind you that the Israeli Government was democratically elected by its people who are Jewish.

You are of course entitled to your opinion and I respect it. It doesn't mean I agree with it but that is what freedom of speech is all about.

Part of Israel's propaganda is that it is the national homeland of the Jews and speaks for the Jewish people. I never wanted to live there (along with 2/3 of all the Jews), even before I was disgraced and ejected from the tribe. I think its time for Jews to realize that they don't have to support everything that the State of Israel does. By the way, "Haaretz", an English-language Israeli paper, is fascinating to read. Israelis say things there that no one could ever get away with in the US media.

Originally Posted by Nord Jim

We should maintain a distinction between the action of the Israeli government and the action of "Jews." There is a big difference. Disagreement with policies of the State of Israel is not synonymous with anti-semitism, nor are the activities of Israel equal to the activities of all Jews.

The State of Israel has to answer for its actions in Gaza, not Jews.

j

Nord Jim, you're my new hero. If you ever come to Modena, I'd like to invite you to dinner.

Originally Posted by English

It's interesting that the discussion in this thread shows by its content that we all have freedom of speech.

I think.

The holocaust annoys the heck out of me more than anything.
I read the history, I've visited some of the concentration camps, I've seen the gas chambers and the incinerators. I've also heard every moaning Jew from one side of the world to the other go on and on and on about it. I've also had the Jewish propoganda machine use its influential media people hype the message continuously on the television and radio virtually daily throughout my life.
Its now even crawled its way onto my shaving forum.

I wonder if the Jews will use the same media machine to seek foregiveness for the ethnic cleansing they have just undertaken in the holocaust that has just taken place in the Gaza strip.

Now lets see if we really have freedom of speech to say what we really think and feel without any recriminations. Because that what freedom of speech is.

Not that I support the murder of sivilians.But to compare Gaza with holocaust is to me very disrespectfull.We are talking about a total of 1300 deaths.Compered to 300000 murders every month for several years.I do however agree with you that the holocaust card has been played to often.

Kristoffer.