Thread: Miss California causes waves!

but did she actually say they shouldn't have the right? she said in her household she believed it was a man and a woman.

it's like the way I feel about howard stern, I really don't like most of anything I've ever heard on his show, but he's in the front lines of first amendment action, using it to the fullest. I defend that. I also respect the fact that Miss CA was honest. I'd rather somebody disagree with me but be honest and discuss things. and of course as much as other opinions tend to make us angry when they differ from ours, it's doing the same to them.

I too think it is a crazy question to ask. not at all what I care about hearing from my contestants. I want questions like, "have you and the other contestants had pillow fights in your underwear?" stuff that really matters.

I don't know how many of you have gay or lesbian friends. I voted the last time it came round in CA in favor of letting the marriages be legally recognized. on principle I don't agree with modifying constitutions, state or fed, with anything that restricts a person's lifestyle choices. Protect us from each other where absolutely necessary, but people should get to do what they like if it doesn't harm others. since then I've become really good friends with some same sex couples. the hardest part of the whole Prop 8 thing here was when one of them told me how much it hurt that people she knew, and acted like they were her friends, would vote to ban her marriage rights and would hang out with her and her wife but not want them to have the same legal status.

The other hard part was working for the educational system, knowing for a fact they don't teach about marriage in schools, and then seeing the ad campaign saying that if the prop. was defeated our kids would learn about same sex marriages in school. I know a few people who said that was the reason they voted for it, that's what I was talking about playing dirty.

I'd still totally make out with Miss CA though.

Red

Now you get close to the making of laws that govern everybody based on a set of precepts followed by a segment. Yes, I know those parts, I'm also pretty sure there's something about judging not lest ye too, and something about plank in thine own eye before the spec in somebody elses......it's such a big book, so many things. I think it's best for people to try and remember that they aren't God. Cause there's a whole lot in there about love and kindness and other virtues I think Christians are supposed to try and have, and in debates like this a lot of them forget that really quick.

I mean really, if He consulted with me everybody that drove under the speed limit would at the least be spending some time in purgatory. It's best judgement be His deal, better for everybody probably.

Red

Originally Posted by Big Red

it's like the way I feel about howard stern, I really don't like most of anything I've ever heard on his show,

now I was totally with you till you messed with Howard!

Originally Posted by Kanahmal

She is so a bigot, if ever there were a bigot. Wanting others to have less rights than yourself pretty much makes you a bigot.

The real question is when did we start caring what Miss America contestants have to say? Watching Miss America for the personality competition is cornier than reading Playboy for the articles. After all Miss America contestants are such shining examples of intelligence

Again, keep it civil and avoid name calling. Really this is name calling and that's all. Having an opinion on a political matter does not a bigot make, were it so we'd all be bigots. Failing to respect another's right to hold a political opinion is really what bigotry is all about and is extremely offensive and uncivil.

Regards,
EL

Originally Posted by Kanahmal

Wanting others to have less rights than yourself pretty much makes you a bigot.

Does the constitution state marriage for anyone is a right?

Originally Posted by AaronX

Does the constitution state marriage for anyone is a right?

It does if the Equal Protection clause comes into play, which I believe it does. In the state in which I live, sexual orientation is a protected class. I believe it should be recognized as such federally. If it was...then a very compelling argument could be (and already has been ) made that witholding similar treatment (I won't use the word "rights", here) would be unconstitutional.

Originally Posted by AaronX

Does the constitution state marriage for anyone is a right?

nope. which is why i think the government shouldn't recognize marriage at all. if people want to get married to one or more other people, and everyone is consenting age, it's no ones business but their own.

even us poor breeders have to do paperwork similar to a civil union for all the governmental rules about power of attorney, inheritance, etc, etc to kick in. which is why i had to goto a courthouse and get a marriage license and fill out all kinds of forms and pay fees, etc in order for those rules to be set in motion for my wife and i.