Thread: Contrails/Chemtrails from jets

Oh where should I begin?

Originally Posted by jimmyseymour

I agree with you here. I just can't stand Alex Jones and his cronies making a buck off the paranoia of some. The goverment has admitted to several arial spraying programs. Mostly for weather modifications.

Perhaps you're thinking of "Cloud Seeding"?

Cloud seeding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I've even seen a documentary from germany where the german goverment said the unusual contrails had a chemical mixture in the fuel so that it would block out the radar of anyone using it against them. Who know's if that is the truth.

Sounds like they're describing chaff, which is not a fuel additive. I wonder if you could find a German Government source for this info? I'd be interested to hear about it

I don't buy the whole temperature thing either from what I have observed from my own eyes, and what I have been taught in thermodynamics. At that altitude and temperature jet exhaust can not stay at that temperature for more that 30 seconds.

Well, that's the point, the hot engine exhaust cools. Cool air is not able to hold as much water vapor as warm air, so it precipitates out as a cloud because the hot air is supersaturated when it cools off. That's why your beer can "sweats" on a hot day if the humidity is high enough.

So I'm assuming it is something in the fuel. Notice how every new additive in our fuel to keep our engines running clean have the formula for H2O in it.

Well, you're right about that. Fuel is made up of hydrocarbons. When it burns, oxygen is combined with the fuel and the result of the chemical reaction is water (H2O), Carbon Dioxide (CO2), and a lot of heat. The perfect example of this is the liquid fuel on the Space Shuttle. It's liquified hydrogen and liquified oxygen. When they combine, you get a fantastic ammount of energy and the only exhaust is water vapor.

There watering down our fuel. I'm sure it carries over to the jets as well. Icing I can believe but hot temperatures are not possible for that long unless the laws of physics change.

I have no idea what watering down fuel would entail, but it sounds like you're referring to various oxiginating and octane boosting agents.

Octane rating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have even heard global warming crowd claim it is reflecting the sun back out to save the planet. I have seen some correlation to the heavy cloud cover by jets on days the radio and television talk about the solar flares from the sun. But all in all, I can come to only one conclusion that everyone is trying to sell me one way or another on this and no one has any concrete evidence either way. Good luck in your pursuits on this one as I have written this off for never being shown good scientific evidence either way.

Actually, there is a pretty good ammount of evidence to suggest that contrails increase the effects of global warming.

Wikipedia actually has a pretty good article on contrails. I think anyone who wonders about them would be well served by reading it.

Contrail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

there is a fun trick to see how much water is in your gas, just put some water in a jar, mark the level, add some gasoline, mix it up and let it settle. the water level will be higher.
In other news Jimmy, no one cares if a new automotive fuel formula blows out a couple of engines here and there, a little cash and the problem goes away. Jet fuel is a whole different story, it must be extensively tested so that every quality is known, so that something strange doesn't happen. there are a lot of people involved in the process. Hs and Os don't always mean water

Danny was a chemists son
but he is no more
what he thought was H2-O
was H2-S-O4

The contrails form as the exhaust is cooling down, and they can perfectly well stay for a long time after the exhaust gases is cooled down to the ambient temperature.
And any hydrocarbon based fuel is making water as it burns, the hydrogen atoms is combined with oxygen from the air to form water vapor and the carbon atoms and oxygen form co2. That is not exactly a new thing

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if he was an expert he would call it contrails.

I think "conspiracy theorist" is closer to the truth :P

Originally Posted by flyboy

if he was an expert he would call it contrails.

I think "conspiracy theorist" is closer to the truth :P

Please let me know the name of your book? Is it called Contrails Confirmed? Perhaps you have some research you can share with us also?

Lots of opinions but no facts = lots of nonsense. William Thomas walks the walk and of course talks the talk. He is a first class researcher and expert. Read his updated book out soon or listen to the show and put your point across to him live. But if you claim you know more than he by claiming chemtrails are contrails explain in detail why you think this is otherwise it’s just incorrect repeater talk.

Originally Posted by east147

Please let me know the name of your book? Is it called Contrails Confirmed? Perhaps you have some research you can share with us also?

Perhaps you have some research to demonstrate that the contrails are anything but contrails?

Lots of opinions but no facts = lots of nonsense.

We're in total agreement there, my friend

William Thomas walks the walk and of course talks the talk. He is a first class researcher and expert. Read his updated book out soon or listen to the show and put your point across to him live.

He's promoting a book and trying to make money off of a half assed conspiracy theory. So in that sense, he's walking the walk of thousands of hacks who can't be bothered with the truth. A simple search on the Google seems to demonstrate that he has no journalistic credibility outside conspiracy theory circles. Maybe you could send us a link to any legitimate news story he's ever covered? Something that would lend a bit of weight to his credibility? Maybe?

But if you claim you know more than he by claiming chemtrails are contrails explain in detail why you think this is otherwise it’s just incorrect repeater talk.

Why do I need to prove to you that they're what they've always been? Shouldn't we be asking you to prove that they're somethig else? I mean, extordinary claims require exrordinary proof. YOU need to have some sort of real evidence other than a sinister sounding bunch of cherry picked incidents and a cool sounding plot. The burden of proof is squarely on your sholders pal.

No one here claims to know more than anyone else, but we'd all like to see some hard evidence from some source a bit more reliable than Rense.com (it's always a tip-off when a website has a quote from "The Protocals of the Elders of Zion" right on their home page). And seriously, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I have yet to hear of something factual being discussed on Art Bell's show. Look at the other guests he has. They're all crackpots.

Use your critical reasoning ability here.

When you have a credible person who has devoted much of his time to researching this subject and has much conclusive evidence any reasonable person would, if the find it interesting or intriguing or were concerned about the planet and what the bankers are doing to it, would listen to the live radio broadcast and phone in with any questions or concerns.

Regarding the absurd point or claims William would go to foolish lengths to write in your words some kind of conspiracy theory on chemtrails is ridiculous. William Thomas is well respected and I can assure if you read his books, which you haven’t, you would know this. He is a true professional with no ties to any commercial organisation or body and rights from the heart not bank account or for profit so thus your claims are the only conspiracy theory in attempting to slander Williams good name.

I am not going to post research or evidence here because you clearly do not believe - this is your perception and choice in life and I respect it however I do believe and know there is enough evidence to support the research.

So please rather than flame or rant do ask William Thomas that which you don’t believe for no matter what you say or how you say it will not change my and many others position on the facts that chemtrails are real and very different to contrails both visually and scientific and of course molecular and chemical composition.

All this nonsense about working in the aviation industry is rather pointless. I know of three pilots who fly commercial airliners over the Atlantic and Europe. All three will not go on record but have made it clear to me that they are deeply concerned. All have said on more than one occasion they have been coming into to land and 100% forgot if they had the landing gear out. One of the pilots said he had to miss a landing because he was embarrassed to say what had happened. They all agree that a gas / poison is getting into the cabin and all agree that chemtrails are real. All three further say the cannot explain why their flights emit lengthy trails but all three agree it is not normal and reject claims of temperature differentials and height suggestions and offer a simple test go near a busy flight path and note how many planes fly over – for miles you can see most planes have no trails then you may witness the odd contrail and then in the mix you have chemtrilals which are significantly different.

The real sad truth is that the whole world has been lied to and the planet should not be in the state it is. We have two families who are willfully culpable for the problem the world over. The Rockefellers and Routhchilds. The evil David Rockefeller along with his side kicks monopolised oil going to control the banks, the health care system and of course pharmacopeia and whilst all this has been ongoing eugenics has been in place. In each state there are over 20 bio labs. Mark my words things are going to get nasty.

Chemtrails release metallic ions into the atmosphere and can also be used as a pathogen delivery system. Time will tell - so rather than waste your time telling me what you think why not write a book based on your research and facts about why you don’t think chemtrails are real. Let me know when you are going to publish it.

Originally Posted by east147

When you have a credible person who has devoted much of his time to researching this subject and has much conclusive evidence any reasonable person would, if the find it interesting or intriguing or were concerned about the planet and what the bankers are doing to it, would listen to the live radio broadcast and phone in with any questions or concerns.

I'm sorry, but we haven't actually established the credibility of Mr. Thomas. He doesn't seem to come up in Google in any way except in association with conspiracy theory websites, most of which have less than zero credibility.

Regarding the absurd point or claims William would go to foolish lengths to write in your words some kind of conspiracy theory on chemtrails is ridiculous. William Thomas is well respected and I can assure if you read his books, which you haven’t, you would know this. He is a true professional with no ties to any commercial organisation or body and rights from the heart not bank account or for profit so thus your claims are the only conspiracy theory in attempting to slander Williams good name.

Actually, whether or not Mr. Thomas is respected or not has nothing to do with the truth of his claims. I don't think that reading his books would establish how respected he is, as that is an entirely subjective judgment based only on the opinions of others. You clearly respect him, but that, in and of itself, is no indication of how good an investigative journalist he is.

The fact is, however, that Thomas has a clear commercial interest in this conspiracy theory, as it seems to be his bread and butter. He makes a living selling books to people like you.

I am not going to post research or evidence here because you clearly do not believe - this is your perception and choice in life and I respect it however I do believe and know there is enough evidence to support the research.

Well, this is a huge mistake on your part. I am very open minded, and I don't trust the government further than I can throw it. If you had some evidence, I would certainly consider it. The problem seems to be that you don't know what evidence is (we'll see that later in this post, just hang on). You and other conspiracy theorists confuse conjecture, unsubstantiated claims and third-hand anecdotes with fact.

So please rather than flame or rant do ask William Thomas that which you don’t believe for no matter what you say or how you say it will not change my and many others position on the facts that chemtrails are real and very different to contrails both visually and scientific and of course molecular and chemical composition.

Well, first, no one here has flamed you, and secondly, how closed minded can you possibly be? I am willing to actually look at objective evidence, but you state right here that you refuse to change your mind on the issue. Again, I ask, what evidence do you have that these are not ordinary contrails, and why do you refuse to share it?

All this nonsense about working in the aviation industry is rather pointless. I know of three pilots who fly commercial airliners over the Atlantic and Europe. All three will not go on record but have made it clear to me that they are deeply concerned.

Okay, here is a perfect example of something that is not evidence. You are making a claim that you flat out refuse to back up. Put yourself in my shoes. How would you like it if I said that I had a friend with a magical monkey who could print twenty doller bills from his a$$, but that I won't show you any evidence, or even tell you my friends name? Wouldn't you be a teeny bit suspicious of my claim?

All have said on more than one occasion they have been coming into to land and 100% forgot if they had the landing gear out. One of the pilots said he had to miss a landing because he was embarrassed to say what had happened. They all agree that a gas / poison is getting into the cabin and all agree that chemtrails are real. All three further say the cannot explain why their flights emit lengthy trails but all three agree it is not normal and reject claims of temperature differentials and height suggestions and offer a simple test go near a busy flight path and note how many planes fly over – for miles you can see most planes have no trails then you may witness the odd contrail and then in the mix you have chemtrilals which are significantly different.

I'm pretty sure you don't actually know how contrails are formed. I think you should look it up. The physics is pretty simple, and I don't need to be in the avation industry to understand it.

I think that these guys aren't really pilots. Do you actually know for a fact that they are commercial pilots? Have you actually seen any sort of credentials? I've known people to lie about being commercial pilots and fighter pilots. Have you seen these guys at work? I know a pilot for UPS. Next time I see him, I'll ask him about this topic. If what he says is counter to what you claim, will you believe me? Or will you claim that he's not really a pilot, or that I don't know any such person, or that I'm lying about his answer, or that he's part of the conspiracy?

The real sad truth is that the whole world has been lied to and the planet should not be in the state it is. We have two families who are willfully culpable for the problem the world over. The Rockefellers and Routhchilds. The evil David Rockefeller along with his side kicks monopolised oil going to control the banks, the health care system and of course pharmacopeia and whilst all this has been ongoing eugenics has been in place. In each state there are over 20 bio labs. Mark my words things are going to get nasty.

Ah, the Rockefellers. The trilateral commision, and of course, the Joooz! I guess this is a worldwide conspiracy.

Chemtrails release metallic ions into the atmosphere and can also be used as a pathogen delivery system. Time will tell - so rather than waste your time telling me what you think why not write a book based on your research and facts about why you don’t think chemtrails are real. Let me know when you are going to publish it.

The sad thing is that the government has intentionally released pathogens into the atmosphere, just to study the effectivness of germ warfare delivery systems. Someone actually died from the pathogen too, as I remember. I don't know all of the details, but it was a really ugly bit of news about an ugly government. It got picked up by the major news organizations too. One wonders why this story hasn't been picked up. Oh, I know, because there's no evidence.

Seriously, I am perfectly willing to look at hard evidence, just as soon as you get some.

Originally Posted by east147

Please let me know the name of your book? Is it called Contrails Confirmed? Perhaps you have some research you can share with us also?

Lots of opinions but no facts = lots of nonsense. William Thomas walks the walk and of course talks the talk. He is a first class researcher and expert. Read his updated book out soon or listen to the show and put your point across to him live. But if you claim you know more than he by claiming chemtrails are contrails explain in detail why you think this is otherwise it’s just incorrect repeater talk.

You are right, I haven't written any books, but what does a book prove other than the fact that you have a publisher and/or money to publish it?

There are written books and articles about many interesting subjects like B52 loading up a bunch of nukes without permission, controlling hurricanes, nuking locations in afghanistan, how the Da Vinchi code is an understatement, the truth is even more frightening. How bras is a major cause of breast cancer, how microwaves takes away the nutrients from your food and not forget quite a bit about skin care and supplements. There must be a lot of really smart experts out there! Wait a second.. all of that is written by one expert.. William Thomas.
So either he has got the time to be among the leading researchers on all those topics or he is writing about subjects that he is not a leading expert on. People can make up their own minds on that.

[/QUOTE] All this nonsense about working in the aviation industry is rather pointless. I know of three pilots who fly commercial airliners over the Atlantic and Europe. All three will not go on record but have made it clear to me that they are deeply concerned. All have said on more than one occasion they have been coming into to land and 100% forgot if they had the landing gear out. One of the pilots said he had to miss a landing because he was embarrassed to say what had happened. They all agree that a gas / poison is getting into the cabin and all agree that chemtrails are real. All three further say the cannot explain why their flights emit lengthy trails but all three agree it is not normal and reject claims of temperature differentials and height suggestions and offer a simple test go near a busy flight path and note how many planes fly over – for miles you can see most planes have no trails then you may witness the odd contrail and then in the mix you have chemtrilals which are significantly different. [/QUOTE]

It is a known fact that poisonous gases some times comes in to the cabin, let's look into that:

First of all, the cabin pressurization comes from the engines, so it sounds like a likely thing that poisoned exhaust gases might come in to the cabin trough that, but it is actually very unlikely because: the air to the cabin comes from bleed air holes in the compressor of the engine, the compressor has got higher pressure that the turbine and combustion chamber where the fuel is added and burns.
For exhaust to get into the compressor section the pressure in the turbine has to rise above that of the compressor, this is called a surge and leads to a loud explosion and possible damage to the engine.

In fact, that poisonous gas has got nothing to do with the fuel, it is a chemical that they add to the oil to give it better high temp characteristics. The unfortunate thing is that then the oil is poisonous when heated and has got some of the same effects as a mild nerve gas.
I have experienced this myself when lubricating heated parts of the jet engines during assembly, if you don't wear a gas mask you can end up having to take the rest of the day off. Those fumes are really nasty stuff!

Since it is the oil that is poisonous and we have a very limited amount of oil onboard it leads us to another question: is Rockefeller poisoning both the oil and the fuel or is it the oil poison that is potent enough to cause the chemtrails by only a couple of quarts released into the atmosphere during flight or is it a slight chance that it is not really the government or evil David Rockefeller that is doing it at all?

And by the way: You shouldn't call people evil, David might get hurt and others might not take you as seriously because of it.