Thread: I have changed my view.

I think I can speak for all Democrats/progressives/liberals when I say that we are MORE THAN HAPPY to welcome Dick Cheney and Newt Gingrich as spokesmen for the Republican Party!!!

It's just great having a person who's approval rating consistently hovers around 19%, attack our president, Barack Obama, who's approval rating is consistently more than three times that number.

Furthermore Republicans, you could not have picked a better person to attack the integity of the speaker of the house. Newt Gingrich is certainly an authority on this subject, being run out of town after 84 charges of ethics violations under a Republican house!!!

Without going into specifics about the politics involved (I think the president did a fine job of that), in closing, let me just say that we, as progressives, could not be happier that the Republican Party has chosen the two most unpopular people in the party to tell Americans what Republicans really stand for!!! TORTURE!! SECRECY!!! SPYING ON AMERICANS!!! ENDLESS WAR!!! WAR PROFITEERING!!! ILLEGAL IMPRISONMENT!!! DOING NOTHING WHILE "THE MARKET" COLLAPSES DUE TO 8 YEARS OF FAILURE!!! TAX CUTS FOR GIANT CORPORATIONS *BEFORE* TAX CUTS FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS!!!

Great job guys! We really hope you're getting your message out there in time for the 2010 elections!!!

PS: Good job snubbing Colin Powell too! That guy is way too popular and sensible!!!

^^^^THats right folks we allow that to vote too!!!

WOW.

Originally Posted by 0livia

People who take politics as personal as you do are good voters. Unfortunately they are not much else. So they have to take politics as they are, which makes them even more furious.

golly lady you sure know how to make friends

and I'm angry so why would you want me as a friend anyway

and I'm not furious anyway
I'm happy






















....because you can't vote
and it wouldn't matter if you did because you live in an oppressive country


...whatever

Originally Posted by Wildtim

^^^^THats right folks we allow that to vote too!!!

WOW.

yeah but not her !!!!!

remember Mr Progressive that the best way to get a good shave on your neck is powerful slicing motions !!!

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

and here come the conspiracy theory wackos now

Anyone who believes that Dick Cheney or GWB (or anyone connected)
had anything to do with 911 is so dumb they couldn't pour pee out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel !


there

I said it

THANK ME !!

It only let me thank you once. I don't agree with you often, GW, but I would have given you at least a dozen.

(There is voting in Germany, just so's you know. And a lot more than two parties running at any given time.)

What I find funny (as in it makes me want to scream) is that the Obama policies are so very close to the Bush policies that the factional fighting means something close to nothing at this point. Cheney did a good job of making Obama *look* leftish, though, really, when you look at it there has been precious little in the way of change. Guantanamo might eventually close, but people will still be held without trial, and heresay is to be allowed under the proposed trial system. The thing is - many people who have been held in Guantanamo and other prisons during this war have not been charged, many have been denied access to lawyers, and very basic international standards were ignored - and continue to be ignored.

I will not even go into the expanding of the war onto a third front (Pakistan), and the repositioning of troops to further rain destruction on Afghanistan meanwhile, the Big Bad Taleban is now an entity with whom we are in negotiations (which started under the last administration). All this from a president who won on massive anti-war sentiment.

Never mind his lobbying very hard for the TARP bank bailout - under which CEO's have no caps put on their bonuses, and the subsequent attack on auto worker's contracts as a condition for bailouts there. (Remember how when the CEO's bonuses were criticized, Obama was quick to invoke the sanctity of contracts? Hmm, that went right out the window when it came to Detroit...)

Obama is a horrible president on many levels. Sure, he's eloquent, but so am I, so are a lot of people. Pretty words and poor policy do not good leadership make.

Originally Posted by jdurango

DOING NOTHING WHILE "THE MARKET" COLLAPSES DUE TO 8 YEARS OF FAILURE!!!

I agreed with some of what you said, and ignored a lot of it, but I can't let this one go.

The problems with our economy started largely with the collapse of Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac. If you think Bush and/or Cheney were responsible for that, you've missed a few important pieces of history, like the fact that Republicans in congress tried for several years to push reforms to those organizations, because their imminent collapse was clear to see, and they were stopped by House Democrats at every turn.

"Presidents are just like baseball pitchers. They get too much credit when things go right, and too much blame when things go wrong."

Also, regardless of which party is doing what, I'd rather see NOTHING done about the economy than see this idiotic bailout dump trillions of dollars into companies which will continue to waste it.

Is anyone that has posted previous to my question over the age of 50?

Seraphim

58 in about a month.

Jeeter

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

golly lady you sure know how to make friends

and I'm angry so why would you want me as a friend anyway

and I'm not furious anyway
I'm happy






















....because you can't vote
and it wouldn't matter if you did because you live in an oppressive country


...whatever

What do you mean with oppressive? Michael Moore getting those weird threatening letters, Hollywood chancelling contracts with actors who spoke out against the war, or McCarthy?
Get a map!

You know, I've seen a lot of nonsense in my life.
One thing being neo-cons who are not able to distinguish between a political opinion and the basic human rights of each person AS WELL AS bickering competition between lefties that would have made a school bully go pale.
So?
Friends are hard to find anyway.

Originally Posted by Elliette

What I find funny (as in it makes me want to scream) is that the Obama policies are so very close to the Bush policies that the factional fighting means something close to nothing at this point.

I couldn't agree more.

As with every presidential election since I turned 18, this was another case of voting for the candidate that I thought would do the least damage, not the most good, and I found both candidates to be so potentially destructive, that I wasn't overly concerned when Obama won the election.

However, IF I was one of the folks who actually voted for Obama based on his campaign of "Hope and Change" I would be furious. His cabinet is largely made up of recycled clinton cabinet members, and he has done very little in terms of change.

As far as hope, I never had much to begin with that we'd see any meaningful improvement as a result of Obama's actions, and I have even less now.