Thread: Health Care in the USA

Greg, what about flesh eating disease? One can take great care of themselves and still be susceptible to disease. If we're talking about a contagion then more people are at risk if it isn't cared for. It was completely bizarre to hear about a Japanese school principal resigning because some children at the school contracted H1N1 while in another country (heh ... mine ). Plus health care costs less in countries where it is socialised because it's not primarily profit driven.

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

we need to plug the holes in the border before implementing a NHS

Every citizen gets a care card and must present it. No problem.

In Canada health care is a nationally regulated right, but the responsibility of the provinces.

Originally Posted by xman

health care costs less in countries where it is socialised because it's not primarily profit driven.

can you back this with some sort of $$$ numbers ???

(again to be clear I am FOR healthcare)

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

can you back this with some sort of $$$ numbers ???

(again to be clear I am FOR healthcare)

View this vid here and then come back and comment.

In response to JimR and Xman, I think we collectivly create society based on our efforts or lack of efforts. The more effort we put into health of body/mind/soul the less accidents , disease, and all the rest of suffering. And obviously the less effort people put in the more of these terrible things we will see and experience.
As for people you percieve as innocents contracting disease or encountering horrible life situations, that is a step further in my answer. You may not agree with me but I see things from a perspective of reincarnation and karmic debt or credit. This is the only way I can see someone being born and only living a few short years in terrible misery, and that being contrasted with someone living a full and mostly happy life.
Think that some children in ww2 spent most of their short lives in concentration camps, some dying while being experimented on.
The only way I can understand how this is possible is if people enter this world with either debt or credit from their last life, its the only concievable way that any system could function, and our existance here is a system.
These children must have been somebody else in the life before they got here, how else could existance choose to give them that fate and then give a different fate to another. So that is why i say all responsability consistently lies with each of us for everything we are surrounded by and experience.

So that would mean we are responsible for the obvious things in life like taking care of our own health, but also in some cases there are less obvious more subtle things that are out of our control because of past actions we have taken in a previous life. However that does mean that they were once in our control and could have been prevented by us.

So disease could be due to actions we took or failed to take in this life, or actions we took or failed to take in a past life. This does not excuse one person harming another, but it does lift the rose tinted glasses that all children are entering this world perfectly innocent.

Also if you body is healthy disease should not be able to enter. As far as i know the reason you hear of diseases that claim the lives of helathy individuals is that alot of people claim they are healthy when they are not. Or they are healthy on the obvious level, but cannot see the subtle unhealth that opens them up to the possibility of disease. There are so very few truly healthy people between the ages of 16-35, however because of the nature of the human body it can hadnle alot of enviormental toxins between these ages and still appear healthy on the obvious level but subtly all is not what it appears.

Best Regards,
Greg

In response to JimmyHAD's posted link to the video about the lady with cancer.
This is a perfect example of what I said about people saying they are in good health when they are not. I am not being heartless by saying the truth about this I do care about people and do not enjoy seeing people suffer nor make light of that suffering.

However this lasy said "I was in good health" but also said she was going to a dermatologist, skin problems tend to occur from poor diet. Poor diet usually means bad quality processed meat products, alcohol, cigarettes, nutrient defficient foods that have been mass farmed. All of these things promote the toxic breeding ground in the body for disease, I myself suffered because of disease because of these factors. IF this lady is anything like tha average american, and medium class salary(said she was a nurse), then she is probably consuming unhealthy food and drugs like smoke,booze,coffee. Whatever disease you have is directly realted to whatever junk you consumed since you were born or also mother consumed while you were being born.

Disease will fail if you create an enviroment where disease fails, disease will suceed if you create an enviroment for disease to succeed.
Im pretty sure cancer is reversable if you catch it early enough and stop poisoning yourself with bad food and eat only good quality fruit,veg and water.
Thanks just my 2 cents from my own experience, dont know if i had cancer but i had a bad stomach thing that i cured with those three things, and my kidneys still aint great, im not 100% well again but im so far beyond where I was a year ago, and the only things i used to fix myself were fruit,veg,water,excercise,and healthy mind practises.
Anyway I didnt go to a doctor becuase I dont like the attitiude of western medicine some of you may see that as self negligent and reckless but thats what I chose.
Best Regards,
Greg

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

can you back this with some sort of $$$ numbers ???

Originally Posted by GregJDS

... Think that some children in ww2 spent most of their short lives in concentration camps, some dying while being experimented on.
The only way I can understand how this is possible is if people enter this world with either debt or credit from their last life, its the only concievable way that any system could function, and our existance here is a system.
These children must have been somebody else in the life before they got here, how else could existance choose to give them that fate and then give a different fate to another. So that is why i say all responsability consistently lies with each of us for everything we are surrounded by and experience.

...

So disease could be due to actions we took or failed to take in this life, or actions we took or failed to take in a past life. This does not excuse one person harming another, but it does lift the rose tinted glasses that all children are entering this world perfectly innocent.

Any evidence for this? No? Then please do not be offended that I have to call BS on it. Nature is a cruel system because everything wants to live and except for the benevolence of photosynthesis all things live off some other living thing. WE have the capacity to change our environment to our mutual benefit or to neglect to do so to our mutual misery. Natural forces are working for their own benefit uncompromisingly ignorant of our best interests.

re. cancer: Well done. Raw foods and lots of anti-oxidants go a long way. I know another fellow whose cancer is in remission for much of the same reasons

Originally Posted by xman

Any evidence for this? No? Then please do not be offended that I have to call BS on it.

I do have evidence, well a good book to read, its a small book called "beyond birth and death". If you are open minded in your request for evidence then you will take a look at the philosophy. If you are not then I will have to call BS on your request for evidence and also you subsequent calling of BS on what I said.

Heres the link, there is about 60 books in it, should be easy enough to find the one called "beyond birth and death". There is a search icon that looks like binoculars. You have to download and extract the zip file to a new folder and its a browseable database like an ebook.

http://esotericteaching.org/content/Vedabase2003.zip



Best Regards,
Greg

Originally Posted by GregJDS

... If you are open minded in your request for evidence then you will take a look at the philosophy. If you are not then I will have to call BS on your request for evidence and also you subsequent calling of BS on what I said. ...

Originally Posted by xman

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

READ THE BOOK
READ THE BOOK
READ THE BOOK

Originally Posted by GregJDS

I do have evidence, well a good book to read, its a small book called "beyond birth and death". If you are open minded in your request for evidence then you will take a look at the philosophy. If you are not then I will have to call BS on your request for evidence and also you subsequent calling of BS on what I said.

Heres the link, there is about 60 books in it, should be easy enough to find the one called "beyond birth and death". There is a search icon that looks like binoculars. You have to download and extract the zip file to a new folder and its a browseable database like an ebook.

http://esotericteaching.org/content/Vedabase2003.zip



Best Regards,
Greg

Dude, didn't you say you were a Christian in another thread?

But you believe in Karma and reincarnation? And read vedic texts?



Edit::Sorry, my mistake. That was another member.