Thread: H1N1

Originally Posted by chee16

i will NEVER get the flu vaccine. i had what i thought was the flu once when i was 10 and it lasted 12 hours. since then i have kept my body healthy and givin it what it needs to stay healthy (ie good food). the flu is just another thing that is TOTALLY preventable and makes the big pharmaceutical companies hoards of cash. thats not a conspiracy theory either, its commun knowledge/sense that they make tons of money off the flu vaccine. plus it only covers the most commun strains, whereas a healthy immune system and proper vitamin D levels covers all strains.

also, am i the only one who thinks it is strange that we are creating a vaccine for a flu that doesn't statistically effect the most vulnerable (ie the elderly and babies) and has mild flu like symtoms? this is not a pandemic or epidemic, it is a cash grab for whoever is making the vaccine.

its all bull, treat your body right and the likelihood that you will get sick is very low. if you don't then there are consequences.


alright i am done now

Sorry but that is a very foolish attitude. It doesn't matter how healthy you are and how well you eat and take care of yourself. if you are in a confined space and someone with the flu is nearby you will get it. The only way to prevent it is to walk around with a respirator on.

I never used to get the flu shot and thought like you and then one year I got it. At first it wasn't so bad, mild fever for a few days and then the tiredness and fatigue hit. It was worse than bad. Now I get the shot every year.

Originally Posted by ChrisL

I simply have to pay more attention to information I hear on the car radio while traveling. Late last month I distinctly recall hearing a U.S. healthcare related person say that by the end of September, 10 million cases of H1N1 were anticipated. That number caught my attention. However, it didn't register with me as to whether than number was for the U.S. or worldwide. I would assume worldwide?

I've been viewing this link periodically at the U.S. Center for Disease Control website. This link reports as close to a "real time" count of cases in the U.S. As of this writing on 9/24/2009 4,569 total reported cases with 364 flu like related deaths. HERE'S THE CDC LINK

Has anyone heard what the worldwide numbers are supposed to be to date?

Chris L

I know, I know, I'm quoting myself here, but I just clicked on the CDC link tonight. The numbers are climbing. From 4,569 total reported cases with 364 flu like related deaths after checking yesterday to 10,082 hospitalizations and 936 deaths.


Chris L

Originally Posted by ChrisL

I know, I know, I'm quoting myself here, but I just clicked on the CDC link tonight. The numbers are climbing. From 4,569 total reported cases with 364 flu like related deaths after checking yesterday to 10,082 hospitalizations and 936 deaths.


Chris L

What is the usual number of deaths from the standard yearly flu ? Quite a few isn't it ? If you want to read something that will give you a chill take a look at The Coming Plague by Laurie Garrett. Plenty of bugs out there especially since we are now a global society with traffic going all over the world. I use "we" in the broadest sense.

I live in an X-urb of Atlanta with a small population, but most people work in Atlanta or one of the surrounding counties. Two weeks ago my middle school aged son had flu-like symptoms so I took him to the doctor. The doctor diagnosed as probable H1N1. He said the Feds were controlling the tests and wouldn't test anyone that wasn't hospitalized. He said that Tera flu was less effective than the other meds for it. He didn't prescribe any antibiotics and said to let it run its course. The school said he had to be fever free for 24 hours before kids could return.

My wife is an elementary school teacher and the same week approximately 10% of the students county wide were out sick. It was assumed most were H1N1. One of the teachers at my wife's school is pregnant and wore a surgical mask to school every day. My son just felt blah but nothing that seemed life threatening or any thing like that. In fact, he spent the four days he was out of school playing computer games.

antibiotics are useless for the flue, so it's good he didn't prescribe any.
And from what I read so far, tamilflu has a lot of side effects, and it's losing it's effectiveness. Best thing to do with the flu (other than getting the shot up front) is just to hole up for a week and rest.

Bruno and thebigspendor, i still have to respectfully (and i want to stress the respectfully as i have read many of both of your posts and enjoyed them) disagree. as foolish as it may sound, i whole heartedly believe that the human body is made to repair itself given the right things. but again, i respect your opinions and also realize that i don't/can't know everything.

also (and hopefully this one doesn't fire anyone up), no one has talked about the negative effects of the flu vaccine. here is a link Flu Vaccine Exposed

though this one is off topic as it doesn't have to do with H1N1. sorry

Originally Posted by chee16

Bruno and thebigspendor, i still have to respectfully (and i want to stress the respectfully as i have read many of both of your posts and enjoyed them) disagree. as foolish as it may sound, i whole heartedly believe that the human body is made to repair itself given the right things. but again, i respect your opinions and also realize that i don't/can't know everything.

also (and hopefully this one doesn't fire anyone up), no one has talked about the negative effects of the flu vaccine. here is a link Flu Vaccine Exposed

though this one is off topic as it doesn't have to do with H1N1. sorry

chee16, I agree with you, the body does repair itself. When it comes to viral infections, most of the symptoms are due, in fact, to the body's healthy immune system fighting off the virus. It's a case of - sometimes too much of a good thing can be bad for you.

Viral immunity is gained in one of two ways - active or passive immunity. Both types are either naturally acquired, or artificially acquired.

Naturally acquired active immunity happens when a person is exposed to a naturally acquired live virus. Should the person survive (and sometimes they don't), they will generally have life-time immunity to that virus. They may also have life-time scars and disability resulting from the immune response depending on it's severity.

Artificially acquired active immunity is achieved via vaccines. These vaccines are often made with either attenuated or with "killed" virus. In other words, the vaccine contains virus that has either been weakened, or has been completely inactivated. Often just a piece of the virus is used, but it's enough to stimulate a weaker immune response from the body, and not a full blown infection, thereby instilling immunity for that virus.

Passive immunity (either natural or artificial) involves placing already formed anti-body, specific to a particular virus, in the body, thereby relieving the body of having to go through the often unpleasant, sometimes fatal, immune response. No live or attenuated virus is used.

The bottom line is, nothing (no amount of good nutrition or exercise) can prevent a virus, if you are exposed, from entering your body. Not to say that good hygiene and keeping hands away from face won't help. But...

So you either take your chances with the live virus and hope you survive, or you take your chances with an artificial means of immunity, and the risks are much less.

It's your choice.

Personally, I try and avoid enclosed spaces where lot's of people hang out thereby exposing each other to shared air and surfaces. I've never had a flu shot, and have never had a severe case of the flu.